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The new network map is a lot worse and more unclear than it used to be. Seems to want to simplify the lines by merging several of them, yet at the same time, the names of the existing lines are still there.I have to agree with you. the map looks ulgy
That's fine, except it seems to send all the wrong signals, because the merged train lines are still mostly distinct.
It seems to imply that those stations Strathfield to Macdonaldtown have a direct single train via Granville to Campbelltown, which is certainly not the case for most of these stations most of the time. Same thing for the North Shore/Western/Northern Lines. It implies that you can catch a single train from Richmond to Macquarie University, which I don't think regularly happens.
It's also stylistically horrid. The East Hills Line and Bankstown Lines used to be clean horizontal lines for most of their length way, making it really easy to read. Now they keep turning and twisting, with their station names in a whole jumble of different orientations. The positioning of the station names "Sydenham", "Flemington", and "Olympic Park" all intersect with train lines. There's also no more indication of peak hour only routes (e.g. East Hills Line via Sydenham) or intercity routes, although the intercity omission is understandable given how it's no longer part of Sydney Trains.
1. Oly park is no longer a balloonSo? The fact it's a balloon loop means zip to the passengers.
2. East hills and Banko are no longer straightI like the bent East Hills. It's more geographically accurate, and it actually looks good. The wavy Bankstown line isn't ideal, but it at least helps destroy the ideas in some armchair operators that the Bankstown line is a corridor ripe for expresses to Liverpool.
3. no more red, purple and light blue (especially red)Agreed on the red, but not the purple and light blue. That said, though, I would prefer if the Bankstown went back to its purple SRA colour, leaving orange for some other use. Like, I dunno, corporate branding.
4. design of map took a backward step in showing the world that Sydneytrains is a world class rail systemIt's a simplification. A bad one, but it is simpler.
5. my 7 year old neighbour could have drawn itI don't know why you're bringing your 7-year-old neighbour into this, but okay.
6. no seperation of services. eg northern line trains dont run to Paramatta so why put them as a single lineIn the new timetable, they do. God knows why, but they do.
in my opinion. this is a good map...that's the same thing we've had for years.
http://www.netzplan.com.au/pdf/netzplan_schematic_sydney.pdf
its a pdf file so sorry guys
now that i think about it (2 minutes into writing this post), i think they tried to implement a map based on the 5 sectors/clearways that they got from the clearways project with the exception of cumberland line which they just slotted inMaybe. Frankly, the better approach would have been to label the lines with route numbers, and group them by trunk line, as per the New York City Subway.
1. I like the oly park loop. it just looks cool in my opinion and has been a part of me for the better part of my lifeSo what, at the end of the day it shows a spur service that goes to Olympic Park. The loop was a cosmetic addition that was frankly superfluous.
2. Now that you say the bent East Hills does look alright but the bent Banko is stupid and why would armchair operators use it as an express anyway to Liverpool (unless your those people who wrote those HSR report. they used the Banko corridor to get out of sydney IIRC)The wavy Banko is sub-optimal, but I can't really complain about it.
3. Bankstown was purple? beats orange which should only be Sydneytrains corporate colourYa, the South/Airport & East Hills was green and the Bankstown/Inner West was purple.
4. Simplification is good but this isntWelcome on board Sydney Trains.
5. I'm just saying that this map is very bad (in my opinion)I figured, I just got tilted off vertical about your neighbour.
6. What!! they do?Ya, go read it properly.
7. Excatly.why change someting goodI personally think that one isn't great.
8. NYC subway has a good map for such a complicated system. We should have adopted that. and good luck on your map making adventuresIt works. Essentially, there are too many service patterns to describe in pure London Underground-style lines.
^^ you answered your own question
Does anyone know why the timetable has markings for "e" - Service may depart earlier than the time shown?Up trains arriving at Strathfield from the north have been known to sit there for up to four minutes waiting for the timetable to catch up.
The new network map is a lot worse and more unclear than it used to be. Seems to want to simplify the lines by merging several of them, yet at the same time, the names of the existing lines are still there.
That's fine, except it seems to send all the wrong signals, because the merged train lines are still mostly distinct.
It seems to imply that those stations Strathfield to Macdonaldtown have a direct single train via Granville to Campbelltown, which is certainly not the case for most of these stations most of the time. Same thing for the North Shore/Western/Northern Lines. It implies that you can catch a single train from Richmond to Macquarie University, which I don't think regularly happens.
It's also stylistically horrid. The East Hills Line and Bankstown Lines used to be clean horizontal lines for most of their length way, making it really easy to read. Now they keep turning and twisting, with their station names in a whole jumble of different orientations. The positioning of the station names "Sydenham", "Flemington", and "Olympic Park" all intersect with train lines. There's also no more indication of peak hour only routes (e.g. East Hills Line via Sydenham) or intercity routes, although the intercity omission is understandable given how it's no longer part of Sydney Trains.
So up there with reforms, expensive simplification of things will likely be deemed "successful achievements". It's about what the department can spin rather than actual results delivered...Exactly. What really bugs me is the extreme focus on the commuter rail network that is very difficult to fix. So while it's a major political centrepiece, it's also in the too-hard basket. As such, it's a lot of hot air.
Going to be interesting how she can spin the blow out in delays from trying to pack more services in, minus the investment in infrastructure.Much as I hate to say this, I think they've done a pretty good job with this new timetable. And while they have "gone dark" in terms of the public consultation, I expect this is at least in part to retain the "purity" of it so to speak. With consultation there would be a stop added here, a slight shift there to match the opening time of the chief of staff's preschool opening times, a special train for the Kings School cricket team etc etc.
Going to be interesting how she can spin the blow out in delays from trying to pack more services in, minus the investment in infrastructure.
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