NSWGR Standard Goods Sound

 
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
I am currently trying to put together a sound file for a saturated NSW 50 class. For those that can remember hearing these locomotives I would love to know if there was a difference in sound between the super heated and saturated versions. I have gone through a few of my videos but can not seem to find any saturated footage.

In my own head, which is not based on anything, I believe the saturated version may sound almost asthmatic. I have created a sound project using the architecture of my favourite Loksound project however feel the chuff may be a little to 'wet' if you like.

Any information would be very useful.

Thanks in advance,

Linton

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  a6et Minister for Railways

I am currently trying to put together a sound file for a saturated NSW 50 class. For those that can remember hearing these locomotives I would love to know if there was a difference in sound between the super heated and saturated versions. I have gone through a few of my videos but can not seem to find any saturated footage.

In my own head, which is not based on anything, I believe the saturated version may sound almost asthmatic. I have created a sound project using the architecture of my favourite Loksound project however feel the chuff may be a little to 'wet' if you like.

Any information would be very useful.

Thanks in advance,

Linton
linton78
Hi Linton.

Not sure about asthmatic or not but it depended on a lot of things, & more especially how hard worked, & in many cases how much water in the boiler as they were often prone to prime, thus a "wet" sound may not necessarily be bad, as that could sound ok, remember that the superheated freighters had a fairly throaty sound about them when working hard.


From my memory of them they tended to be more softer in beat as most tended not to work them as hard, while not totally accurate if you have recordings of 30class or even the 19cl they will provide something close to the 50, in fact the Night Shift Cd has recordings of a 19class working hard on the Oberon line, & it would be a useful file to work with.

If you had Tsunami's even with the generic nature of the files, the one aspect that sets them apart at the moment is the graphic equaliser which you can adjust the sounds through various means, to get better sounds for our models. Of course that does not mean the other sounds that are needed such as dynamo, pump exhaust, injector, & if modelling other than the later pop safety valves there is no recordings for the Ramsbottom valves.
  aussieloco Junior Train Controller

The closet sound ,but this my preference is the sound in the Austrains 35 class,you could easily tweak it in reverb through decoder pro to sound like a 50 class. I have Tsunami K class installed in my Austrains 36, Classic Brass 32 and Bergs brass 55 and if put together ,they all sound different which is exactly what I want. It also depends on what speaker you use ,I preferably wound use a high base.speaker sound is subjective ,one person will like it the other will not. It would be great to get the correct sound files for a 50 class but I don't think there are any in preservation that are up to steam so you can record it. the only one that I know that could be is at Dorrigo .As long as the 50 class have chuff to it weather it be correct or not I will be happy
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

Not much help to you but just my observation of the 50's years ago, was that they hardly ever seemed to be working hard when I used to watch them passsing through Waratah with a rake of non air coal hoppers.
The most notable noise seemed to be loud clanking which I assumed to be from clearances in the side rods.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Not much help to you but just my observation of the 50's years ago, was that they hardly ever seemed to be working hard when I used to watch them passsing through Waratah with a rake of non air coal hoppers.
The most notable noise seemed to be loud clanking which I assumed to be from clearances in the side rods.
Showtime
You would not get any real working of any steam through Waratah, unless on empties heading out, but primarily at low speed. The non air trains were based not so much on the load pulling ability of the engine but the braking ability as it had only the engine brake, & guard to help if needed.  Therefore the grade up past the old brickworks at Thornton was where they were loaded for.

The only other area was if they worked air braked trains to Cockle Creek & the load was set for Cardif - Tickhole.

The snotty nosed 50 at Dorrigo did work but not sure if will again, the only other area that a reasonable recording could be made is with the SMR 10class as they were pretty well the same as saturated freighters.

The clanking noise is from the big end, & generally a sign of wear or a bit loose that happened when working.
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
The closet sound ,but this my preference is the sound in the Austrains 35 class,you could easily tweak it in reverb through decoder pro to sound like a 50 class. I have Tsunami K class installed in my Austrains 36, Classic Brass 32 and Bergs brass 55 and if put together ,they all sound different which is exactly what I want. It also depends on what speaker you use ,I preferably wound use a high base.speaker sound is subjective ,one person will like it the other will not. It would be great to get the correct sound files for a 50 class but I don't think there are any in preservation that are up to steam so you can record it. the only one that I know that could be is at Dorrigo .As long as the 50 class have chuff to it weather it be correct or not I will be happy
"aussieloco"



Thanks for the reply. I have never used a Tsunami decoder but the K class sound does seem to be very popular. I am a bit of a fan of the Loksound V4 due to its motor control ability. ESU is pretty clever as to modify sound projects loaded to the decoder you need a Lokprogrammer. This bit of kit is rather expensive and almost locks you into their products. I have been downloading different sound projects from the ESU website and have been grafting appropriate chuff sound files into my 50 project. The one I have loaded to the decoder at this point wheezes a little to much for my liking.

Yeah the Classic models saturated 50 looks great with sound. Just need to get it right, well as right as what we can all remember.

Linton
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
You would not get any real working of any steam through Waratah, unless on empties heading out, but primarily at low speed. The non air trains were based not so much on the load pulling ability of the engine but the braking ability as it had only the engine brake, & guard to help if needed.  Therefore the grade up past the old brickworks at Thornton was where they were loaded for.

The only other area was if they worked air braked trains to Cockle Creek & the load was set for Cardif - Tickhole.

The snotty nosed 50 at Dorrigo did work but not sure if will again, the only other area that a reasonable recording could be made is with the SMR 10class as they were pretty well the same as saturated freighters.

The clanking noise is from the big end, & generally a sign of wear or a bit loose that happened when working.
"a6et"




G'day Colin,

Thanks for your help. Yeah I thought they may have had a softer type chuff (refers to your first post). The SMR 10 class is a great idea. I wonder if the whistles are similar? Like I was saying above I have a sound project loaded to the decoder now but it seems to have a little wheezy steam sound on the end of each chuff. Still looking for a cleaner chuff sound on the ESU website. Realistically I could use what I have now but hopefully I can fine tune it a little.

Thanks again,

Linton
  a6et Minister for Railways

G'day Colin,

Thanks for your help. Yeah I thought they may have had a softer type chuff (refers to your first post). The SMR 10 class is a great idea. I wonder if the whistles are similar? Like I was saying above I have a sound project loaded to the decoder now but it seems to have a little wheezy steam sound on the end of each chuff. Still looking for a cleaner chuff sound on the ESU website. Realistically I could use what I have now but hopefully I can fine tune it a little.

Thanks again,

Linton
linton78

Hi Linton

Don't worry too much about the wheeze as surprisingly was also a bit common on the saturated 50's, but it depends on how much, I guess I now understand your reference to the Asthmatic sound.

There are a couple of thoughts depending on how far into your sound development & how far you have gone as far as fitting sound to your loco's & which direction you want to take.  If you are definitely going to go the Loksound path, & know how to use their programmer then you may well stay that course, but I personally resent the cost of the programmer.  In saying that I was stupid enough to invest in a QSI programmer with the hope of their promises for user downloadable sounds from the Revo onwards. Afraid I want to live & enjoy the hobby in preference to waiting on their promises as such I have gone totally cold on QSI, & I now no longer buy loco's with sound, nor fitting anymore with Tsunami's.

Ok, while not 100% sure about the 10class, I understand they are saturated engines, also have the same whistle as the general freighters or what was deemed the standard Country whistle also fitted to P's, 30T, & other engines that worked in the rural areas. Getting to the 35cl it was similar but deemed a 5 chime, but more like the country type than the 5chime on the pig.  Most of those engines can use the Tsunami as a sort of reasonable choice.   The 10cl also has the same type of single phase air pump with smoke box exhaust, likewise Ramsbottom safety valves, & likely the same type of injectors as the 50 & others, which pretty well would cover the more needed unique NSW steam sounds for those loco's.  The question is though, how would you go about recording the sounds of one?  of course the one sound least likely to get correct with the 10cl is the exhaust owing to the load aspect.

If you wait, there is a fair chance that one of the saturated 30T's will be returned to service, with ARHS Canberra working on their one, & not sure about what stage the LVR one is at, although they were looking at doing it up.

For me though, I have heard & watched video of some loco's fitted with the TCS WOW sound decoders, also with using different types of speakers, including high bass, standard & cell phone speakers, the later are small & produce excellent sound.  So far, its like fitting a Tsunami though, as its only fitted with what is best described as generic (for Australian steamers) sounds, although like the Tsunami there are enough there that are sort of close enough.

The best news though is that TCS are committed to a form whereby the WOW decoder will be able to have user sound files uploaded into the decoders, the ability to do that will be part of a firmware update to the decoder in further development that is going on.  The method that is being talked about, is that the modeller will submit the sounds they want to TCS, who will then convert the sounds into the WOW format, the user will then pay a fee, similar to that charged by those downloading music etc to their thumbs machines.

The wow is now being distributed so TCS is going into the next stage of development of their decoders, & while not sure how far down the track the user files & firmware are, I do not think its nearer the bottom of the list than towards the front.  While a fee is charged, I understand that it may not be huge & you do not need a big black box to do the downloads with either.

For me, I have waited long enough now for decent & more correct NSW sounds, so another couple of years is of no real concern to me, in fact when I have models running, I get just as much enjoyment in the quiet non sound models than I do with the sound ones. Thus, I am saving the $100.00 on OEM, or Generic & locked in sounds of the Tsunami, & will wait for the WOW, & fit them to my models, which hopefully will have NSW sounds added to them at a later time, either mine or those from TCS as they have indicated that they would like to come here to do recordings.

A few things to think about in regard to directions, now & future.

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