Transport links to New Burswood Stadium

 
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
I was thinking about the new stadium at Burswood and the announcement that an upgraded station will be built.  One thing I can’t figure is how they are going to run trains direct from the new upgraded station directly to Midland & Mandurah without passengers changing trains or the trains reversing.  For example, I know that the present Subiaco to Mandurah service for the football is very popular.

It seems that the only way the new stadium will work is direct trains to Armadale line, Jooddalup Line, Fremantle Line, with passengers changing at Clasebrook for Midland and Perth city for Mandurah, any thoughts or insights on this?  However this could accelerate the connecting of Thornlie to Cockburn Central via the abandoned Mandurah to Perth via Thornlie route?

Alan

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  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner

The plans drawn up are certainly impressive to say, and perhaps next election their may be a few election promises. Considering their are no plans for a public carpark "close" to this stadium, so its public transport or walking to get to the area.

The train traffic flow has been resloved at a "planning stage" so far...
  1978Prime Junior Train Controller

Location: Perth
Slightly of the rail topic, but the news said the golf course would close down when the stadium is built. I thought the stadium was only going to be on the northern end of the golf coarse and therefore wouldn't take up so much space that they would have to close it down.
  Mike_in_the_west Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
How about a city loop via Burswood, South Perth, West Perth & North Perth, with Thornlie, Armadale, Ellenbrook, Midland & Fremantle line trains running either direction around it!  Twisted Evil

Seriously though, Joondalup Line trains should be able to run through to Burswood, ditto with Fremantle.   Mandurah line passengers will just have to lump it like the Joondalup Line passengers do when Subi oval is used.

More reason why the Thornlie - Cockburn Central 'missing link' should be completed!
  fastrak44 Junior Train Controller

Location: 100 metres from what will be electrified railway in the next 5 years.
There needs to be something that would attract patronage along the Thornlie - Cockburn Central section before they even think of it  Sad
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

I would have thought the population of Canning Vale would now be large enough to support the link.

You will then get the next problem of not enough trains!
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

Would add about 30 minutes to the round trip time of Thornlie trains, if extended to Cockburn Central. So the equivalent of 4 more A sets would be needed to support existing service frequencies.

And of course there is the problem of slotting 4 extra trains per hour into the existing peak service of 12 trains per hour through Cockburn. It might be better to run the Mandurah line peak service as
- every 15 minutes to Mandurah
- every 15 minutes to Rockingham (extending to Mandurah at end of peak)
- every 15 minutes to Cockburn
to avoid congestion in the turnback sidings and run everything south of the river on a 15 minute cycle

Special event services to the new stadium would take this route and Showgrounds special event services could be an extension of the Cockburn via Thornlie services west of Perth
  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner

There needs to be something that would attract patronage along the Thornlie - Cockburn Central section before they even think of it  Sad
"fastrak44"


The route between Thornlie and Cockburn Central is only to be single line, and would only be used for special events. No station is planned at Canningvale. People would  apparently rather drive to cockburn/murdoch than catch the train from canningvale via the Armadale line into the city. The Mandurah line is quicker and delivers people more "centrally".
This is from the "research" by the governemnt planners, who as we all know, know whats best!  Rolling Eyes
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
The route between Thornlie and Cockburn Central is only to be single line, and would only be used for special events. No station is planned at Canningvale. People would apparently rather drive to cockburn/murdoch than catch the train from canningvale via the Armadale line into the city.


Actually the route was planned to be double tracked and the single to Thornlie has the prevision for double tracking.  There was also a planed station at Canning Vale markets.  There could easily be 2 stations between Thornlie and Cockburn.

The problem with the transport system in Perth is the belief that everyone wants to go to the City, this is not true, for example, a lot of people that live in Rockingham and Mandurah work in Canning Vale.  There should also be consideration of a link from Cockburn to Fremantle which would then be a connection from Fremantle to Mandurah, Rockingham, Canning vale etc.  

Sorry to go off subject, the original reason I brought up the Thornlie to Cockburn link is the ease of running trains from Rockingham / Mandurah to the new Burswood Stadium.
  1978Prime Junior Train Controller

Location: Perth
The route between Thornlie and Cockburn Central is only to be single line, and would only be used for special events. No station is planned at Canningvale. People would apparently rather drive to cockburn/murdoch than catch the train from canningvale via the Armadale line into the city.


Actually the route was planned to be double tracked and the single to Thornlie has the prevision for double tracking.  There was also a planed station at Canning Vale markets.  There could easily be 2 stations between Thornlie and Cockburn.

The problem with the transport system in Perth is the belief that everyone wants to go to the City, this is not true, for example, a lot of people that live in Rockingham and Mandurah work in Canning Vale.  There should also be consideration of a link from Cockburn to Fremantle which would then be a connection from Fremantle to Mandurah, Rockingham, Canning vale etc.  

Sorry to go off subject, the original reason I brought up the Thornlie to Cockburn link is the ease of running trains from Rockingham / Mandurah to the new Burswood Stadium.
"witzendoz"



I think the Thornlie to Cockburn link should be apart of a circle route. It could go all the way to Fremantle and also travel along Tonkin and Ried highway and the proposed Highway linking Osbourne park to Fremantle. That would link most of the industrial areas to rail and so people can catch the train to work and reduce the need to catch a bus or train into perth just to go to another suberb.
  dw54 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Devonport, Tas

There needs to be something that would attract patronage along the Thornlie - Cockburn Central section before they even think of it Sad
"fastrak44"


The very thing is being discussed in this thread. The traffic generators don't need to be in the section concerned, necessarily.

But there's certainly potential at Market City to develop a substantial traffic focus and local bus interchange - and it is likely that Jandakot will become more significant for minor fly in/fly out routes and may justify a railway station served regional air terminal.

DW in Don, Tas

 

  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
It appears we have an answer...


Mr Buswell said the Public Transport Authority was working on plans for a four-platform train station at Belmont Park and an undercover bus station next to the stadium.

The bus station would be designed to deal with about 240 buses carrying 14,500 passengers. Trains would be expected to carry about 35,500 people with direct services on the Joondalup, Fremantle and Armadale lines.

Passengers for the Midland and Mandurah lines would have to change trains.

"The West Australian"


http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/12996967/trains-buses-set-target-of-50-000-fans-at-stadium/
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Hardly the end of the world. At the moment, Joondalup Line patrons either walk from Leederville or change trains at Perth. For the new stadium, its Mandurah and Midland people that do it instead. Can't have direct trains from everywhere (unless you demolish the car park and build the stadium on top of Perth Station).
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

Hardly the end of the world. At the moment, Joondalup Line patrons either walk from Leederville or change trains at Perth. For the new stadium, its Mandurah and Midland people that do it instead. Can't have direct trains from everywhere (unless you demolish the car park and build the stadium on top of Perth Station).
"drwaddles"


Agreed. If I go to an event at Claremont showgrounds or Burswood dome from northern suburbs I have to change trains. This doesn't put me off using public transport if the alternative is traffic jams and no reasonable parking.near the venue.

A four platform station would seem appropriate - additional trains to/from Fremantle & northern suburbs terminating in the additional platforms, giving a high frequency service  to & through Perth & Armadale/Thornlie trains (& hopefully beyond Thornlie eventually) using two through platforms
  62440 Chief Commissioner

The Master Plan included double track between Cockburn (then Thompsons Lake) and Cannington, the Thornlie design allows for duplication. The tunnel at the chord is double track and the layout allows for high speed turnouts. The freight lines were to be moved and a sepate electric line built with 3 stations. This would have served the industrial areas at Kewdale etc from Cannington, providing plenty of patronage. Major issue was the gas main crossing the alignment at the chord.
The master plan was abandoned in 2001 with the change of government, though it still exists with a developed design.
  witzendoz Junior Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
I was at the Dockers game on Saturday night and they were playing an interview with Colin Barnett about the new stadium at Burswood.  Now I was not really listening to it that close (as it was more of the same political spin on how good a job we are doing), but I caught a little comment about public transport.  Colin said in answer to a question about the new station that, "People would be able to board a train at the new station and travel to Mandurah, Midland, Armadale, Joondalup or Fremantle without changing trains" or something that that effect?  Was this a slip up or is there something being planned?

I have been trying to find a copy of the interview on the net, as the written copies don't contain the whole interview.

Alan.
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

Hardly likely - politicians aren't usually too hot on the detail. And I wonder when the last time Colin Barnett travelled by train was!

If they are running extra trains straight after an event, I can't see reversing a train for Mandurah west of Perth yard is likely to fit in very well, so my guess is Mandurah passengers will be changing trains
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
*Bump*

PTA website now has a project page for this, including a reference to the (currently undownloadable) Transport Project Definition Plan.

http://www.pta.wa.gov.au/Projects/ThenewPerthStadiumTransport/tabid/595/Default.aspx

Edit: The plan is available through the Perth Stadium site: http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/files/Perth%20Stadium%20Transport%20-%20Public%20PDP.pdf

  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
The serious work is starting...

To make way for the new station, the current Belmont Park station will be closing in October

http://www.perthstadium.com.au/belmont-park-stop-to-give-way-to-stadium-station

(Plus as mentioned earlier in the observations thread, there is the current work near Belmont Park and associated speed restriction)
  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
The serious work is starting...

To make way for the new station, the current Belmont Park station will be closing in October

http://www.perthstadium.com.au/belmont-park-stop-to-give-way-to-stadium-station

(Plus as mentioned earlier in the observations thread, there is the current work near Belmont Park and associated speed restriction)
Mouse
Well one thing's for sure; all of the construction work will make travelling along the Armadale/thornlie line VERY interesting!
  fastrak44 Junior Train Controller

Location: 100 metres from what will be electrified railway in the next 5 years.
They've already started the earthworks as all the verge trees and shrubs have been cleared and screen off fencing installed
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Something's happening out near the stadium:


Is this where some of the sidings are going?
  drwaddles In need of a breath mint

Location: Newcastle
Thanks Wool Stores, that's great.
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth
Forgot to add, the yellow sand is to compress the soil. It will be left for a period of time, then levelled off to form the foundations of the new eastern platform and roadbed. The entire development is essentially being built on a flood plain which was used as a rubbish tip from the 1940s-1980s.

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