Whereabouts of A15 and Pmr735

 
  sam6778 Locomotive Driver

Location: Rockingham, WA
Gday all,

Was browsing through australiansteam.com and noted A15 going to Meredith in Vic in the early 80's, what ever happened to this loco?


Also is Pmr735 still Willis Engineering in Riverdale undergoing restoration?


Many thanks

Sam     

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  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
I heard (don't hold me to this), that A15's boiler has steamed, and the tender is being rebuilt and that the owner hopes to bring it back to WA. Perhaps someone else can give more information.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
Gday all,

Was browsing through australiansteam.com and noted A15 going to Meredith in Vic in the early 80's, what ever happened to this loco?


Also is Pmr735 still Willis Engineering in Rivervale undergoing restoration?


Many thanks

Sam     
"sam6778"


You are correct about the location of Pmr735, but it is not undergoing restoration. I believe that some of it's parts ended up on Pm706 to keep her in operation when PM706 was running on the mainline a few years ago....

I too have heard third hand, albeit a few years ago, that A15 was getting some serious restoration work done. I will not name the source....

Yes, as a part of this rumour that the intention was to return it to WA for operation where?......again I repeat totally third hand rumour information....

Any one out there in "Railpage land" able to expand on A15?

Cheers
Brett



  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

A 15 has had the boiler largely rebuilt and has been steamed.

The boiler is not far off being repositioned back on to the frame.

The whole loco is being rebuilt to a fine degree by a V/Line train driver.

As to its eventual home, its all undecided at the moment.  Most likely candidates for running are Bellarine Peninsula Railway in Victoria (not far from where it is now) or back to the West.

It is believed the loco may be able to fit inside a 40 foot container.  If so, that may enable it to spend some time at one venue then move on to another, etc.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
A 15 has had the boiler largely rebuilt and has been steamed.

The boiler is not far off being repositioned back on to the frame.

The whole loco is being rebuilt to a fine degree by a V/Line train driver.

As to its eventual home, its all undecided at the moment.  Most likely candidates for running are Bellarine Peninsula Railway in Victoria (not far from where it is now) or back to the West.

It is believed the loco may be able to fit inside a 40 foot container.  If so, that may enable it to spend some time at one venue then move on to another, etc.
"DalyWaters"


Pics available?
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

A 15 has had the boiler largely rebuilt and has been steamed.

The boiler is not far off being repositioned back on to the frame.

The whole loco is being rebuilt to a fine degree by a V/Line train driver.

As to its eventual home, its all undecided at the moment.  Most likely candidates for running are Bellarine Peninsula Railway in Victoria (not far from where it is now) or back to the West.

It is believed the loco may be able to fit inside a 40 foot container.  If so, that may enable it to spend some time at one venue then move on to another, etc.
"DalyWaters"


Pics available?
"burt007"


No.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
A 15 has had the boiler largely rebuilt and has been steamed.

The boiler is not far off being repositioned back on to the frame.

The whole loco is being rebuilt to a fine degree by a V/Line train driver.

As to its eventual home, its all undecided at the moment.  Most likely candidates for running are Bellarine Peninsula Railway in Victoria (not far from where it is now) or back to the West.

It is believed the loco may be able to fit inside a 40 foot container.  If so, that may enable it to spend some time at one venue then move on to another, etc.
"DalyWaters"


Pics available?
"burt007"


No.
"DalyWaters"


Short answer to a short question - however shame that a restoration like this is going on behind closed doors. Would be great to see the progress......

Cheers for the info DalyWaters....


  NiSig Locomotive Driver

Location: South of the River, Perth WA

If you saw photos of Pmr735 in its current state it might bring a tear to your eye.  Its looking very sad and sorry for itself at the moment in the ex-Willis Engineering compound (the business itself has moved according to a sign on the fence) in Rivervale.  Also in the same compound is a portable engine that I hadn't see before.  Last I heard the Pmr was destined to be restored for operation in Pemberton but I believe thats been put on hold indefinitely which is a shame as I reckon it would look great double heading with 706 or the V.

I have also heard the talk of A15 returning to WA, with leanings towards operation out of Boyanup with Vintage Train stock or Dwellingup to Etmilyn as an alternative engine to the G.  Double headed with a G would look good...  I believe any idea of operation at Bellarine was canned when they peeved him off too much, so WA is the more likely option at the moment.  I would certainly like to see it over here as something new and different on the WA steam scene.

 

 

  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner


I have also heard the talk of A15 returning to WA, with leanings towards operation out of Boyanup with Vintage Train stock or Dwellingup to Etmilyn as an alternative engine to the G.  Double headed with a G would look good...  I believe any idea of operation at Bellarine was canned when they peeved him off too much, so WA is the more likely option at the moment.  I would certainly like to see it over here as something new and different on the WA steam scene.

 

"NiSig"


I wouldn't get too excited just yet. 
A big problem for A15 is that the owner wants the loco to stay just the way he will have it be (which is as authentic as possible).
With accreditation requirements, its difficult for any railway to fit in with this.  It is now quite expensive (at least in the Eastern States) to maintain a loco on the operating register.  To this end, I see a series of "guest appearances" being a good option for A15, rather than being tied to one railway.

Thats just my personal opinion, not in any way reflecting the thoughts of the owner.
  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner

Gday All,

Having worked on this project many times over the years heres a brief update.

This project has been progressing with a few small band of people, dedicated to preserving and restoring a true colonial mogel. Only with the owners dedication and commitment would this locomotive be in such good condition and in a restored condition today, very close to running.

Motion and timing is all complete and certified, boiler has been certified, everything is ready to be put back together. The boiler will be lifted back onto the frames in May or theirabouts, then the timing will need adjusting. Then the loco will be joined with the newly constructed four wheel tender. The six wheel original is to far gone to be restored. The motion works under compressed air and turns over. Then the fine tuning will begin to get it to move under its own steam. Two years is the time frame.

It looks fantastic! It will look like it was when it rolled out of Beyer Peacock in 1885. Not a mod con on it. It may need a few minor things on it to meet accrediatation in some states. He has his own accrediatation so that wont be an issue.

In regards to operation,  Queenscliffe want it for free and for the owner to pass over ownership to them. That wont happen he is disapointed with them about this atm. He hopes it will run at Queenscliffe at some stage, once all the finer details are worked out. It will see service in Tasmania. It will see service in WA and on the main line!

Remember this is a small locomotive, smaller than a G. Will look fantastic, and be fun to drive considering how "simple" it is.

Some photos below, showing various stage, but not too many, you will have to wait and see on this one, the owner doesnt want to let the cat out f the bag just yet.


The single chime whitsle sounds fantastic, and the original oil lamp headlight looks good at night!














  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Gday All,

Having worked on this project many times over the years heres a brief update.

This project has been progressing with a few small band of people, dedicated to preserving and restoring a true colonial mogel. Only with the owners dedication and commitment would this locomotive be in such good condition and in a restored condition today, very close to running.

Motion and timing is all complete and certified, boiler has been certified, everything is ready to be put back together. The boiler will be lifted back onto the frames in May or theirabouts, then the timing will need adjusting. Then the loco will be joined with the newly constructed four wheel tender. The six wheel original is to far gone to be restored. The motion works under compressed air and turns over. Then the fine tuning will begin to get it to move under its own steam. Two years is the time frame.

It looks fantastic! It will look like it was when it rolled out of Beyer Peacock in 1885. Not a mod con on it. It may need a few minor things on it to meet accrediatation in some states. He has his own accrediatation so that wont be an issue.

In regards to operation,  Queenscliffe want it for free and for the owner to pass over ownership to them. That wont happen he is disapointed with them about this atm. He hopes it will run at Queenscliffe at some stage, once all the finer details are worked out. It will see service in Tasmania. It will see service in WA and on the main line!

Remember this is a small locomotive, smaller than a G. Will look fantastic, and be fun to drive considering how "simple" it is.

Some photos below, showing various stage, but not too many, you will have to wait and see on this one, the owner doesnt want to let the cat out f the bag just yet.


The single chime whitsle sounds fantastic, and the original oil lamp headlight looks good at night!
"WAGR_trains"


This has made my day
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
Gday All,

Having worked on this project many times over the years heres a brief update.

This project has been progressing with a few small band of people, dedicated to preserving and restoring a true colonial mogel. Only with the owners dedication and commitment would this locomotive be in such good condition and in a restored condition today, very close to running.

Motion and timing is all complete and certified, boiler has been certified, everything is ready to be put back together. The boiler will be lifted back onto the frames in May or theirabouts, then the timing will need adjusting. Then the loco will be joined with the newly constructed four wheel tender. The six wheel original is to far gone to be restored. The motion works under compressed air and turns over. Then the fine tuning will begin to get it to move under its own steam. Two years is the time frame.

It looks fantastic! It will look like it was when it rolled out of Beyer Peacock in 1885. Not a mod con on it. It may need a few minor things on it to meet accrediatation in some states. He has his own accrediatation so that wont be an issue.

In regards to operation,  Queenscliffe want it for free and for the owner to pass over ownership to them. That wont happen he is disapointed with them about this atm. He hopes it will run at Queenscliffe at some stage, once all the finer details are worked out. It will see service in Tasmania. It will see service in WA and on the main line!

Remember this is a small locomotive, smaller than a G. Will look fantastic, and be fun to drive considering how "simple" it is.

Some photos below, showing various stage, but not too many, you will have to wait and see on this one, the owner doesnt want to let the cat out f the bag just yet.


The single chime whitsle sounds fantastic, and the original oil lamp headlight looks good at night!

"WAGR_trains"


This has made my day
"andrew1996"


Day?!?! This has made my year!!
Wonderful....just Wow!


  ssj Chief Train Controller

It is somewhat improper to state that ""Queenscliffe" want it for free and for the owner to pass over ownership to them". The issue has been about "control" and not "ownership". You have given a most incorrect impression that Bellarine Railway want the locomotive given to them. This has never been the case and you need to clarify that with the owner.  There are accreditation and liability issues relating to use of private rolling stock on a public railway and some form of usage agreement must be in place and agreed to by the regulator. Any such agreement will inevitably involve both parties sharing control of the locomotive and there will be costs of testing, accreditation, insurance etc etc which must be met. It is simply simplistic and totally wrong to say that "He has his own accrediatation".
  GrassyNoel Junior Train Controller

Gday All ...
"WAGR_trains"


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  sam6778 Locomotive Driver

Location: Rockingham, WA
Thanks for the great info on A15.

When the rollingstock from Pemberton finally is moved to the HVR, is Pmr735 likely to be included in this?
Cheers
  asmay2002 Beginner


Then the loco will be joined with the newly constructed four wheel tender. The six wheel original is to far gone to be restored. ......

It looks fantastic! It will look like it was when it rolled out of Beyer Peacock in 1885.
"WAGR_trains"


The restoration looks great so far but why not build a replacement 6 wheeled tender?

A15 never had a 4 wheeler so it won't look how it looked in 1885 without its a 6 wheeled tender.  It seems odd to be so obsessed to get it right and then really rot it up by building a tender A15 never had.
  DRR_Fireman Deputy Commissioner

Location: -


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It will see service in Tasmania.

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"WAGR_trains"



Where, and under whose accreditation?
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
I highly doubt that A15 will be operating on BPR lines because they have enough steam locomotives already, recently they purchased G33 from North Williamstown Museum and getting donations to transfer it from there to the Bellarine.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

I highly doubt that A15 will be operating on BPR lines because they have enough steam locomotives already, recently they purchased G33 from North Williamstown Museum and getting donations to transfer it from there to the Bellarine.
"jt393"


Enough?  What exactly is enough?

The Geelong Steam Preservation Society (and previously ARHS Geelong Sub-Division) was formed way back before many other groups appeared, in the early 1960s.  The GSPS was fortunate to have the donation of locos from the Fyansford Cement Works to provide the seed to start the collection.  Shortly thereafter a very astute few persons were able to save a good cross section of locos that were rapidly disappearing from the Australian railway scene.  This was a case of both providing for growth in any operations that may happen (of which today's Bellarine Railway would have been but a dream at the time) and also to save what could be saved from the scrappers.  Three South Australian T class locos were purchased but, unfortunately, funds were not sufficient and the deposits were forfeited on two of them.

The collection plateaued for a while following the acquisition of the West Australian V and S class locos.  That then provided a good collection from all states that had Narrow Gauge railways.

Since then only a few Tasmanian diesels were bought until three years ago.  At the heart of most members is a great respect for the Fyansford Cement Works railway, being the seed of the GSPS.  So it has been an aim where possible to re-unite all the locos from the Cement Works at Queenscliff.  It was an aim that was moved greatly forward by Puffing Billy generously allowing the GSPS to buy three 3'6" locos from their museum.

Now the GSPS is extremely fortunate to have reached an agreement with the North Williamstown ARHS Museum to take custody of G 33, the ex-Fyansford Australian Standard Garratt.  Please note, this is not a purchase, it is a custodianship that will enable G 33 to run again.  Once the ASG arrives, that will be all the remaining steam locos re-united, leaving only diesel D1 (i.e. T 413) as a possible future re-unitee.

I am sure one of the reasons the ARHS Museum and Puffing Billy felt the GSPS worthy of taking custody of these locos is that there is a large shed at Laker's Siding which houses all the locos under cover.  This secures the long term future of these locos for future generations.

As for A 15, it would not be of value for running everyday trains on the Bellarine Peninsula.  However, it is currently located within 100 kilometres of Queenscliff and the owner of A 15 is a good friend of many GSPS members.  It may run at Queenscliff, it may not.  It would be terrific to see running a special train one day.  However, there are paperwork obstacles to overcome, wherever it runs.

Meanwhile, the Bellarine Railway may by your standards have enough locos, however it has many less locos than RTM, Dorrigo, North Williamstown Museum, Redbank, NRM Adelaide, Bassendean, etc.  Do you think that they have more than enough?  I don't.
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
I can admit about, not knowing how big the infrastructure is around Bellarine because I was wrong doubting about not enough room to stabled BPR's Motive Power.



  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

I have heard that all the locomotives, and most of the rollingstock from pemberton is to be moved to Pinjarra, eventually.
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
I have heard that all the locomotives, and most of the rollingstock from pemberton is to be moved to Pinjarra, eventually.
"Radzaarty"


I wonder what the roadblock is to get all of them moved from A to B?
  anuddernut Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the beach
I would think that 130km of closed track between Pemberton and Bunbury and so the cost and availability of suitable road transport would be a fair reason as to why they have not been moved
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
I would think that 130km of closed track between Pemberton and Bunbury and so the cost and availability of suitable road transport would be a fair reason as to why they have not been moved
"anuddernut"


It sound's like it's going to be another long while till everything is moved from Pemberton completely.
  burt007 Chief Train Controller

Location: On the Road Somewhere...
Gday All,

Having worked on this project many times over the years heres a brief update.

This project has been progressing with a few small band of people, dedicated to preserving and restoring a true colonial mogel. Only with the owners dedication and commitment would this locomotive be in such good condition and in a restored condition today, very close to running.

Motion and timing is all complete and certified, boiler has been certified, everything is ready to be put back together. The boiler will be lifted back onto the frames in May or theirabouts, then the timing will need adjusting. Then the loco will be joined with the newly constructed four wheel tender. The six wheel original is to far gone to be restored. The motion works under compressed air and turns over. Then the fine tuning will begin to get it to move under its own steam. Two years is the time frame.

It looks fantastic! It will look like it was when it rolled out of Beyer Peacock in 1885. Not a mod con on it. It may need a few minor things on it to meet accrediatation in some states. He has his own accrediatation so that wont be an issue.

In regards to operation,  Queenscliffe want it for free and for the owner to pass over ownership to them. That wont happen he is disapointed with them about this atm. He hopes it will run at Queenscliffe at some stage, once all the finer details are worked out. It will see service in Tasmania. It will see service in WA and on the main line!

Remember this is a small locomotive, smaller than a G. Will look fantastic, and be fun to drive considering how "simple" it is.

Some photos below, showing various stage, but not too many, you will have to wait and see on this one, the owner doesnt want to let the cat out f the bag just yet.


The single chime whitsle sounds fantastic, and the original oil lamp headlight looks good at night!






WAGR_trains

Hi,

Just wondering on the progress of A15....

Are any updates available?

cheers

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