Mt Gambier old yard deathnell starts

 
  jm1941 Chief Commissioner

Location: Mount Gambier
Well its finally come......

The Mount Gambier old yard is now been fenced off in Wehl Street to start demolition of the old rail yard.
To my knowledge all track work and old Goods Platform are to be removed completely, but the station, signal cabin and platform will remain with no track but for how long, remains to be seen. I'm not that trustworthy of the local powers, anything could happen if it suits the whim of the day.

As I understand it, the rail easement that must be allowed through the now Council land for prettying up the land to have trees or the like planted on the rail easement, JUST in case the pigs might fly and we might see a sensible return of A railway track back through the Mount. Meanwhile I not hold my breath as I'm getting near past my use by date.  

Is sad to see what once was and now will be gone into oblivion. That's a sort of progress for you. Sad



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  trainznbuses Train Controller

Location: Seacliff Park, SA
The legacy of Alan Scott lives on.
The old fella will be smiling down upon the Mount when the tracks do get ripped up Crying or Very sad
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Progress would have been to remove the large number of trucks off the road which carry chips to the Port of Portland.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
I hope you didn't put that sign back when you finished Laughing
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
No information regarding the rest of the yard and roundhouse yet - still significant amount of track staying in the ground for now, but obviously will be severed in the station yard now.

The old hospital will be demolished before xmas as well - finally!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Some great shots here from years ago. http://www.brownfam.com.au/ROLL69/ROLL69.htm
Regards
Brian
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The legacy of Alan Scott lives on.
The old fella will be smiling down upon the Mount when the tracks do get ripped up Crying or Very sad
trainznbuses
He won in the end, didn't he.

Those trucks on the Jubilee Hwy and the Portland Road are a pain in behind though, tailgating you all the way.  Not to mention the deteriorating condition of the road itself, not good for a town trying to promote itself as a 'stop-over' tourist destination.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Those trucks on the Jubilee Hwy and the Portland Road are a pain in behind though, tailgating you all the way.  Not to mention the deteriorating condition of the road itself, not good for a town trying to promote itself as a 'stop-over' tourist destination.
don_dunstan
It's only a 'stop-over' because you need to calm down enough to stop the wheel shaking.

Place is dead as a tourist destination, all the possibilities in the world, but no attempt to make the place enjoyable. Name one major tourist attraction ?

The place died long ago when it became a forgotten corner of the state.
  GN4472 Deputy Commissioner

SA Great? Confused
  SAR_enthusiast Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Does anyone know any updates on the remaing redhen railcars currently sitting in the old Mt Gambier roundhouse.

I have read in previous post that steamranger have taken ownership of the remaining 424, 405 and baggage 820.

How long before these get relocated?
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The legacy of Alan Scott lives on.
The old fella will be smiling down upon the Mount when the tracks do get ripped up Crying or Very sad
trainznbuses
But how much did the ANR (in those days) drop the ball?

  • You bring your freight to us we won't go and collect it.    
  • Forget about LCL loading unless someone consolidates it in a wagon load for us (and delivers it to us).
  • We are a railway company not a freight company nor will we spend money to enable us to continue to serve our customers.    Spending money is someone else's problem.


And so it goes on.

Scott just moved into a vacuum left by rail.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

But how much did the ANR (in those days) drop the ball?

  • You bring your freight to us we won't go and collect it.    
  • Forget about LCL loading unless someone consolidates it in a wagon load for us (and delivers it to us).
  • We are a railway company not a freight company nor will we spend money to enable us to continue to serve our customers.    Spending money is someone else's problem.


And so it goes on.

Scott just moved into a vacuum left by rail.
kipioneer
Not wishing to get into an argument on the pros and cons of Mt Gambier freight yard itself we have to face facts that some freight is better suited to trucks, particularly where it would cost large amounts of money to re-instate a rail line for possibly an unknown return. Maybe not worth it. Must look at the opportunity cost of these wish list projects. ie money might be better spent elsewhere.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If it hadn't been cut off from the main line by the One Nation project it's conceivable that it would still be going successfully.  You only have to look over the border at places like Horsham where the private sector has been successfully operating 'freight-gate' businesses for years to see what might have been although I'd imagine a freight-gate would have worked better somewhere like Jubilee Hwy West rather than in the middle of town.

Place is dead as a tourist destination, all the possibilities in the world, but no attempt to make the place enjoyable. Name one major tourist attraction ?
Fabricator
The Blue Lake?  Once you've seen it there's nothing much else to make you want to go back; it's not a particularly pretty or picturesque town is it although it could be much better if they spent money on tourist amenities.  Oh, and there's also the limestone caves... but again, once you've seen 'em they're not that interesting are they...
  MD Chief Commissioner

Location: Canbera
The fundamental problem with Mt Gambier is that its in SA.
The only viable possibility for rail is to guage convert and re open Mt Gambier to Portland
but this is not something the SA Govt can do , or would want to , as SA gets no benefit from doing so.
Only the Vic Govt can do this , and they have shown zero interest.
Railing goods from Mt G to Adelaide makes zero sense as its too far, and requires dragging the trains thru the Adelaide Hills.
No hope of competing with road , regardless of who the Trucking companies are.
The cost of re opening Mt G to Wolseley is wayy above anything the SA Govt could afford to do, and theres simply no
economic case for it.
What Mt G needs is a massive coal or iron ore mine.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The line between Snuggery (near Millicent) and Portland was supposedly going to go standard gauge and re-open years ago to support the expansion of the paper mill but it never happened; there was also recent talk about bulk haulage of woodchips to the Port of Portland this way but again, it never happened.  As with other parts of SA and Victoria, I just don't think there's enough local support for reintroduction of any kind of freight rail; the council was dead against it because they've been trying to get it ripped out of the southern end of the town.  You also had that situation for many years with well-known local business interests campaigning vigorously against it - and apparently they still do.

Possibly if they re-built it they could get it to bypass the northern side of town anyway but we're talking big $$$; the locals also believe it's in their best interests to support the local trucking industry and they're used to dozens of trucks on the highways (it comes as a shock when you're a tourist).  I just can't see any form of rail ever coming back to the Mount.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

But how much did the ANR (in those days) drop the ball?

  • You bring your freight to us we won't go and collect it.    
  • Forget about LCL loading unless someone consolidates it in a wagon load for us (and delivers it to us).
  • We are a railway company not a freight company nor will we spend money to enable us to continue to serve our customers.    Spending money is someone else's problem.


And so it goes on.

Scott just moved into a vacuum left by rail.
kipioneer

Neil. I think you very aptly summed up the situation with ANR.
AN was basically CR, the SAR people got sidelined and pensioned off. CR never had to develop freight, they were simply hook and pull after somebody else had done the work.

Look at the innovation the SAR did to increase freight loads and efficiency; see recent articles relating to containerisation in Australian Railway History. At least they tried.

Interesting how after everybody else moved to containers SCT moved into vans and are making a go of it with their Total Logistical Solutions.

One has to question why grain is still being moved by rail on Eyre Peninsular and the Murray Mallee but not anywhere else?

As for Mt Gambier K&S were heavy users of rail.

Johnny was there from the 70s to AN times and could give us a run down of freight handling and operators at the Mount in the last years.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Question - if the yard was to be brought back into use and swapped to standard gauge would the track need to be completely rebuilt?

If the answer is yes, that would mean the difference between pulling it up now and pulling it up later is just sentimentalism right?
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
Yes JAP, near 20 years since last trains any wooden sleepers are now time expired, the steel ones put in during gauge conversion now over 60 years old ditto, the rail too light for modern axle loads so same cost to rebuild from scratch.
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
Question - if the yard was to be brought back into use and swapped to standard gauge would the track need to be completely rebuilt?

If the answer is yes, that would mean the difference between pulling it up now and pulling it up later is just sentimentalism right?
justapassenger

Without a doubt. Many sleepers out towards the border still have date nails.

There would be little community enthusiasm for the line to be reopened where it lies now anyway. From memory there are seven or eight crossings over main roads in the space of a few KM right through the guts of the town. Often these would be tied up for quite a while as shunts occurred.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Without a doubt. Many sleepers out towards the border still have date nails.

There would be little community enthusiasm for the line to be reopened where it lies now anyway. From memory there are seven or eight crossings over main roads in the space of a few KM right through the guts of the town. Often these would be tied up for quite a while as shunts occurred.
simont141
The other option would be to retain a single track through town and re-construct a marshalling yard on the outskirts of town, say, near the Jubilee Hwy where most of the truck depots are anyway.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The other option would be to retain a single track through town and re-construct a marshalling yard on the outskirts of town, say, near the Jubilee Hwy where most of the truck depots are anyway.
"don_dunstan"

I do believe that when the state gov put up it's $10m "carrot" to a private interests to re-gauge and re-open the line part of the deal was to move the yards "out of town" and just retain an easement for a single line through the town only.
Of course no-one came forward when  that offer was made.

I also remember seeing a report (online) that estimated if the Green Triangle woodchip production was at maximum production it would mean that a fully laden B Double truck would traverse the Portland-Nelson Road and the Henty Hwy route to the Port area every 95 seconds!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I do believe that when the state gov put up it's $10m "carrot" to a private interests to re-gauge and re-open the line part of the deal was to move the yards "out of town" and just retain an easement for a single line through the town only.
Of course no-one came forward when  that offer was made.

I also remember seeing a report (online) that estimated if the Green Triangle woodchip production was at maximum production it would mean that a fully laden B Double truck would traverse the Portland-Nelson Road and the Henty Hwy route to the Port area every 95 seconds!
Pressman
I drove that road a few years ago and it felt like that already.  Atrocious road too, pot-holes, broken shoulders, semi's tail-gating you all the way - it might be better by now but I found as a motorist/tourist the trucks were really off-putting.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
K&S are now owned by Scott Transport Industries and have been for sometime and just about all other large trucking companies down that way are also owned by Scott Transport. So the likely hood of seeing any of them use rail if it was there is zilch.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
K&S are now owned by Scott Transport Industries and have been for sometime and just about all other large trucking companies down that way are also owned by Scott Transport. So the likely hood of seeing any of them use rail if it was there is zilch.
David Peters
It is not true to say Scott Transport Industries does not use rail for I have seen a Scott petroleum tanker riding on a flat car on a Darwin - Adelaide train in Crystal Brook.

The problem is not that Scott won't use rail because they clearly do where it suits; the problem was that rail did not pursue the traffic.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It is not true to say Scott Transport Industries does not use rail for I have seen a Scott petroleum tanker riding on a flat car on a Darwin - Adelaide train in Crystal Brook.

The problem is not that Scott won't use rail because they clearly do where it suits; the problem was that rail did not pursue the traffic.
"kipioneer"
And it would even be false to say that Scott was the biggest enemy of the rail industry in SA or even just the south east. That would be the rail industry itself, or at least the old government operators.

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