Train overcrowding - Greens FOI data shows peak patronage growth up to 18% in 2 years

 
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Greens MP Greg Barber released a different take on the government's "massaged" data on train overcrowding.

http://vicmps.greens.org.au/content/napthines-overcrowded-trains-figures-fudged

One of his points was that patronage on the Sunbury/Watergardens and Belgrave/Lilydale lines had dropped. Fortunately he included his spreadsheet.  On closer examination the drop is because of a shorter time period between the first and last train counted. For example in May 2013 the time difference between the first and last train counted was 41 minutes, whereas in May  2011 it was 50 minutes.   Adjusting for these differences in the length of observations reveals the following growth rates over 2 years in peak  travel (passengers arriving per minute on each line), for trains counted that arrive between 8am and 9am:

Glen Waverley  -1%
Belgrave/Lilydale  7%
Pakenhan/Cranbourne  -1%
Sandringham  14%
Frankston  0%
South Morang/Hurstbridge  10%
Broadmeadows/Craigieburn  16%
Upfield  18%
Sunbury/Watergardens  7%
Werribee/Williamstown 9%

These data could do with more analysis to account for passengers arriving just before 8am or just after 9am, and on services between 8 and 9 am that were not included in the count (eg a Watergardens service arriving at North Melbourne at 8:55 was not included in 2013, but an 8:51 service was included in 2011).

So these data show healthy growth rates, which should drive more investment in the system. It most likely shows a continuing increase in inner city employment (with economic agglomeration benefits) and rail mode share (with space and environmental benefits).  But (oh) the East-west tunnel suddenly seems more important.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
It's extremely disappointing to me as a long-term resident of this city and a frequent public transport user that we're headed in this direction.

If you try using the Frankston line in the peaks it's physically impossible at times to board trains because they're literally spilling out the doors; sometimes you have to wait for two or three trains to stop, pointlessly open the doors and leave again before you can actually get on one yourself.  And yet we get told repeatedly by Napthine that the East-West tunnel is the most pressing infrastructure project in the whole state.  What's wrong with this picture?

Overcrowding has become a really serious issue and yet all we have is spin.
  Peter Spyker Train Controller

It's extremely disappointing to me as a long-term resident of this city and a frequent public transport user that we're headed in this direction.

If you try using the Frankston line in the peaks it's physically impossible at times to board trains because they're literally spilling out the doors; sometimes you have to wait for two or three trains to stop, pointlessly open the doors and leave again before you can actually get on one yourself.  And yet we get told repeatedly by Napthine that the East-West tunnel is the most pressing infrastructure project in the whole state.  What's wrong with this picture?

Overcrowding has become a really serious issue and yet all we have is spin.
don_dunstan

Napthine is a 60s-era luddite from the boondocks of western Victoria. He's a holdout from a dying breed of moronic men who worship their cars, and it's highly unlikely that he's ever used metropolitan public transport in his life, other than for publicity purposes.

How the Liberal Party can consider someone from the country to be responsible for running a city of 3.5 million people, I will never know.

Cities in Australia are being held to ransom by peasants from backwards rural areas. It has to end.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There's financial and 'old boy network' reasons for prioritising that toll-road over everything else too.  Abbott is kicking in money for it; the super funds are pressuring governments to provide pot-of-gold government guaranteed investments and the trucking industry really wants it so that B-triples can access the Eastern and EastLink.

As I've said in another thread, perhaps it's time we just gave in to the trucking industry and admitted that intra-state freight by rail isn't realistic any longer; but by the same token the complete imbalance in investment is producing some really perverse outcomes in that overcrowding on both peak hour roads and trains is completely out of control.  You can't spend exclusively on roads and ignore everything else, nothing will be fixed. I shudder to think how much more un-livable Melbourne will be in another ten or twenty years at this rate.

Maybe I'll have to migrate to one of those genial locales within 100km radius of Melbourne and commute on V/Line for work... our version of the 'home counties'.  Only V/Line trains are getting just as crowded now-days.
  LamontCranston Chief Commissioner

Maybe I'll have to migrate to one of those genial locales within 100km radius of Melbourne and commute on V/Line for work... our version of the 'home counties'.  Only V/Line trains are getting just as crowded now-days.
don_dunstan
Another generation those will be Melbournes suburbs.

Morning peak time Lilydale trains were standing room only by the time they got to Ringwood, evening peak standing till East Ringwood. At least until I moved last year : So I'd say this is spot on. I'm catching Hurstbridge trains well outside peak times so I can't really say about it, one advantage of working 4pm-midnight.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Napthine is a 60s-era luddite from the boondocks of western Victoria. He's a holdout from a dying breed of moronic men who worship their cars, and it's highly unlikely that he's ever used metropolitan public transport in his life, other than for publicity purposes.

How the Liberal Party can consider someone from the country to be responsible for running a city of 3.5 million people, I will never know.

Cities in Australia are being held to ransom by peasants from backwards rural areas. It has to end.
Peter Spyker
I'm starting to think we'll have flying cars before Australia gets out of the post-WW2 mindset. We've been stuck in the 1945-1960 era for much too long.
  TedHanson Junior Train Controller

Story can't be true. We have been told that public transport was fixed on 27th November 2010 and that there was nothing further that needed to be done. We now need to spend almost every available cent on tunnels which will save me five minutes on a trip to the airport, especially if I move to Balwyn. However, a few million on competitions would be good also. People like to see these stories in the Herald Sun - they fill up so many pages with artists' impressions. They give them a real sense that things are improving. Much better than fixing harmless leaks in subways.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Napthine is a 60s-era luddite from the boondocks of western Victoria. He's a holdout from a dying breed of moronic men who worship their cars, and it's highly unlikely that he's ever used metropolitan public transport in his life, other than for publicity purposes.

How the Liberal Party can consider someone from the country to be responsible for running a city of 3.5 million people, I will never know.

Cities in Australia are being held to ransom by peasants from backwards rural areas. It has to end.
Peter Spyker

Just love this comment.  Never a more accurate word spoken!
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

What baffles me about the state libs/nats is that they only won the election by a single seat (and now the lower house is hung with that Shaw idiot from Frankston now I dependant) and the swing to them was largely from the south eastern suburbs with traffic and PT polling as the most important issues with those voters at the 2010 election: yet they have basically done nothing down that way at all. The only PT anywhere in the state they have invested in has been in plans started by the Brumby government, aside from the additional V/Locity trains for RRL and about 7 extra Xtraps.

They are seriously heading to become a one term government.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Add the pushing through of a project which is widely recognised as something we should not do (being the east west road tunnel) and statements to the effect that even if we are a one term government we will have ignored public transport and invested your money in a road tunnel which cannot be undone by the next government should you throw us out.

Extraordinary in terms of position but also in terms of how they ignore their constituents.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Extraordinary in terms of position but also in terms of how they ignore their constituents.
bevans
I for one felt ripped off when they named the tunnel as the number one project.  With the rapidly increasing density in the inner areas it's going to be impossible to drive anywhere soon - there's no solutions to that in the pipeline, not from this government.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

As mm42 said the survey times need to be extended to well before 8:00am. Many Lilydale and Belgrave trains arriving into Flinders Street between 7:30 and 8:00 are standing room only by Mitcham.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
What baffles me about the state libs/nats is that they only won the election by a single seat (and now the lower house is hung with that Shaw idiot from Frankston now I dependant) and the swing to them was largely from the south eastern suburbs with traffic and PT polling as the most important issues with those voters at the 2010 election: yet they have basically done nothing down that way at all. The only PT anywhere in the state they have invested in has been in plans started by the Brumby government, aside from the additional V/Locity trains for RRL and about 7 extra Xtraps.

They are seriously heading to become a one term government.
Mr. Lane
I bet those 7 additional X'Traps are doing a great favour for those on the Frankston line, just like those Vlocity DMUs running to Stony Point. Which I might add is still stuck in the dim dark ages as well, with no overhead, tiny platforms, no staff, single track sections and no plans to upgrade (electrification). Also, try getting a bus from Mordialloc which isn't the 903. "Isn't due" means up to an hour away even if the bus is sitting there in the bus stop (709), and the 705 is a farce, borderline fraud - it basically does not run at all.

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