Side Valance Colour on Hood Type VR Diesels (Cs, Hs, Ts, Xs and Ys)

 
  FlatTopT413 Locomotive Fireman

Hi;
Can anyone confirm the side valance colour of the Hood type VR diesels???

I've checked my Train Hobby VR books and depending on year and type of photos it's hard to get an accurate picture/ time frame of exactly what colour and what period side valances may have been black or if they were black.

Thanks in advance.

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  M636C Minister for Railways

Hi;
Can anyone confirm the side valance colour of the Hood type VR diesels???

I've checked my Train Hobby VR books and depending on year and type of photos it's hard to get an accurate picture/ time frame of exactly what colour and what period side valances may have been black or if they were black.

Thanks in advance.
FlatTopT413

My belief is that they were Royal Blue, the same colour as the body.

I'm pretty sure that the early T class with extended valances (up to 366) were all blue as delivered.

I checked all my own photos of C class when new and I think they were blue on the frame sides too.

I'm not so sure about the later T class and the Y class.

M636C
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I believe that al the VR era diesels were delivered with their valances painted in the VR blue colour. I know that many photos show what appears to be black valances, but in all the cases I have seen, it is a dusty black and is most likely dirt, not black paint.
  FlatTopT413 Locomotive Fireman

Hi Gents;
thanks for the replies.
it is a confusing issue, as I have photos of all different series Ts and they have black valances and inside steps but must be after repaint or under body work.

3rd series Ts (low nose), going by Train Hobby book, appear to have been delivered with Black valances and Steps.

Don't know if anyone can confirm this????
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Give Train Hobby books a wide berth on colours, a lot of the photos have been photoshopped and as such I personally would not rely on the colours in these books without a cross reference to other photos etc. Most times they are close, but not dead right though. But as all have said I too think that they were Royal Blue.

Some of these Train Hobby books have been photoshopped by someone who has no real idea of what they are looking at, at times. Several of these books that I know of have severe anomalies in them. So treat them all with caution and try to find something to cross reference just to be on the safe side if nothing more.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Hi Gents;
thanks for the replies.
it is a confusing issue, as I have photos of all different series Ts and they have black valances and inside steps but must be after repaint or under body work.

3rd series Ts (low nose), going by Train Hobby book, appear to have been delivered with Black valances and Steps.

Don't know if anyone can confirm this????
FlatTopT413
Is this a photo showing a locomotive with a fresh paint, or is it dirty after being in use? I have to say again, I have never seen a VR era diesel locomotive that is wearing a fresh coat of black on the valance, and I doubt they would have been delivered in black.

Take a look at the photos on Mark Bau's web site for a more definitive set of photographs: http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive%20power/lochome.html

The so-called third series T is shown and the earliest shot of one shows it painted in VR blue about 6 years after delivery, so that would suggest the colour scheme was blue.

I would also echo David Peter's comment that the colour reproduction in the Train Hobby books is appalling, never make any judgement on colour from them.
  FlatTopT413 Locomotive Fireman

Hi;
thanks Gents for the responses. Further investigation required.
Regards
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

this photo of mine of T405, taken at Bendigo on 9 September 1967 certainly seems to show a black valance:

[img]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u23/duttonbay/Victorian%20Railways/0365T405Bendigoloco09Sep67_zps737b273c.jpg[/img]

The colour of the valance seems identical to the bogies and fuel tank, and nothing like the hood sides.  I would have agreed with those who say they have never seen a VR loco with a black valance, but now I'm not so sure...
  FlatTopT413 Locomotive Fireman