Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Speaking of grease and train wheels: Do they have those machines in SA that automatically grease the wheel flanges as a train goes past?  There's a group of them in operation here at Caulfield I noticed the other day.

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  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

Gday don.
Not to sure about the AdMet lines but the Adelaide to Melbourne ARTC line has the auto grease units, obviously due to the flange squeal issues that the hills locals whinge about.
I've only seen a couple in the hills. Going from Adelaide to Melbourne there's one just after the right hand bend leading into the straight up to Upper Sturt tunnel, very close to where Upper Sturt station used to be.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Gday don.
Not to sure about the AdMet lines but the Adelaide to Melbourne ARTC line has the auto grease units, obviously due to the flange squeal issues that the hills locals whinge about.
I've only seen a couple in the hills. Going from Adelaide to Melbourne there's one just after the right hand bend leading into the straight up to Upper Sturt tunnel, very close to where Upper Sturt station used to be.
SAR520SMBH
Thanks for that SAR - sorry for this digression but I was interested if they also appear in Adelaide, I can't say I recall; there are spots on the Melbourne metro network where they appear.  The curve outside of South Yarra station headed east appears to be quite bad for wheel squeal and vibration, perhaps made worse by the concrete sleepers creating resonance. There are other spots on the urban network where this problem appears repeatedly and I'm guessing the lubricators are strategically installed to reduce that; perhaps not as much on an issue in SA (except for the ARTC line through Blackwood).

I wonder how long before the 4000's are tested north of Noarlunga?
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

I wonder how long before the 4000's are tested north of Noarlunga?
don_dunstan

This would probably occur in January I'd imagine once the entire electrical infrastructure has been installed on the line then the integrity phase of the electric trains will be done quicker since the mileage is 36km from a one way trip from the City to Seaford. So a round trip would be 72km I forget exactly how many kms the electric trains must accumulate before they can pass the integrity phase
  Halo Chief Train Controller

I've heard 400 and 500km. And also 400 hours.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Found one picture the DPTI put up of a train going through the underpass during the evening

http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/RR/rail_revitalisation/goodwood_junction
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
Barriers have been removed from the tracks at Oaklands, and the condition of the rails when I crossed them around midday indicated that a train may have passed over them some time on Monday night. Of course it could have been a rubber tyred work vehicle with guide wheels, but no electrification works have been done in the area for some time. About 21.30 this evening in a silent room, I thought I heard a train horn.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Is Oakland's all wired yet?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Checked the track at Fairfax Ave Ped Xing last evening.

Very little sign of wheels having been on the rails, perhaps some marks on the blue dots on the rail head.

Two cones in the middle of each track located about 50 metres down the decline, about where the 3000 DMU appears in the photo.

Note the 3000, if it is running, is working bang road.

I can confirm Milko's observation that there is no 3000 DMU stuck down there.

Ian
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It would of course make sense to test each track in both directions, given that at some point there is guaranteed to be some kind of disruption which could be efficiently solved by some single-line working.

If only we had a few more crossovers so that our network had a bit more resilience to work around such issues...
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Gday don.
Not to sure about the AdMet lines but the Adelaide to Melbourne ARTC line has the auto grease units, obviously due to the flange squeal issues that the hills locals whinge about.
I've only seen a couple in the hills. Going from Adelaide to Melbourne there's one just after the right hand bend leading into the straight up to Upper Sturt tunnel, very close to where Upper Sturt station used to be.
SAR520SMBH
There is another up where Heathfield Station used to be.
2 of the 3000 class railcars (3002 &3007) are fitted with greasers.

Wayne
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Barriers have been removed from the tracks at Oaklands, and the condition of the rails when I crossed them around midday indicated that a train may have passed over them some time on Monday night. Of course it could have been a rubber tyred work vehicle with guide wheels, but no electrification works have been done in the area for some time. About 21.30 this evening in a silent room, I thought I heard a train horn.
SAR526

As far as I know trains have not been tested since Sunday when they were testing the underpass also on Monday Night when I got back from the city Morphett Rd boom gates went down  and one of those cherry picker vehicles on rail wheels was heading through to Warradale (Seen this happening more frequently as they do electrification works in that area as they need to send them into that area) Even yesterday when I got back from Noarlunga I saw them waiting near the level crossing while they were waiting for train control to lower the boom gates so they could safely get through.

Very minor electrification works have been undertaken here if you take notice of the concrete masts you'll see they have some fittings attached now to the very top of them at least on the up side (I caught them that Monday evening about to begin electrification work to fit them)

I haven't talked to any workers in the area yet but no trains have yet to pass through this area since Jan as far as I know
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Are trains able to pass through Marion at the moment? If not, that could very definitively rule out any test trains having travelled that far.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Are trains able to pass through Marion at the moment? If not, that could very definitively rule out any test trains having travelled that far.
justapassenger

I crossed the track at Marion Station while commuting home by Bike on Monday. The track has been reinstated since late September but there are still fences across the track at the temporary crossing. Progress had been made on painting the new underpass concrete, but there doesn't seem to be any need at the moment to open the track.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

There are hangers on pretty much all of the masts in the Oaklands area now and I was told the wires from Lonsdale to Brighton will be going live early next month and electrification work on Platform 1 and 2 in the ARS seems to be going at a really slow pace havent seen any arms erected onto the roof yet (Sort of hard to get a good look anyway since Platforms 1 and 2 have been completely sealed off with large fences)
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
There are hangers on pretty much all of the masts in the Oaklands area now and I was told the wires from Lonsdale to Brighton will be going live early next month and electrification work on Platform 1 and 2 in the ARS seems to be going at a really slow pace havent seen any arms erected onto the roof yet (Sort of hard to get a good look anyway since Platforms 1 and 2 have been completely sealed off with large fences
Milkomeda
Of today cantilever arms are on masts to W of Warradale.  Between there and Hove masts are bare but the footings for 2 cantilever masts to replace existing concrete masts in the vicinity of Signal 1431 on the Down line are in place.  This may explain why only the earth conductor has been strung from E of  Hove to Oaklands on the Down line.  Work has been going on in the last few days on the overhead around Jetty Rd and Brighton Stn.  Inline insulators have been in installed in the centre road cantenary.  Today sectioning switches were being wired up at Edward St and Portland St, Sth Brighton.

Raglan Ave to Tonsley Jn is still awaiting the stringing of the contact wire on the Down.

Lonsdale crossovers and depot have now been wired.

Sigs/comms ducting seems to be complete out to Noarlunga.  Above ground metal ducts have been used extensively between Cove Rd and Noarlunga.  LED heads have been fitted out to O'Sullivans Beach Rd and also at Noarlunga Central.

The previously noted installation of balises suggests that Seaford - Brighton may be used as a testbed for the electrics including the cab signalling.

Alex C
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Thanks Alex.

I observe that at signal 1531 at Hove a new mast has been installed on the inside of the down track which looks like it will replace the mast obscuring the signal; this section is already wired.

Ian
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Energising the section Noarlunga-Brighton sounds promising.  Also sounds like they are working towards fixing the signal sighting issues (at last).
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
I crossed the track at Marion Station while commuting home by Bike on Monday. The track has been reinstated since late September but there are still fences across the track at the temporary crossing. Progress had been made on painting the new underpass concrete, but there doesn't seem to be any need at the moment to open the track.
nm39
The temporary fencing has been opened on the down track at the temporary crossing. A piece of bunting is stretched across the down side opening.
The painting of concrete appears to be complete on the up side of the underpass but it appears that they are still casting the staircase.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

An interesting graph I fond on the DPTI site shows exactly how far they are with electrification works

http://dpti.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0007/117916/2013_10_electrification_progress_stats.png
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Milko

The worry about that is that somebody believes it!

I told you somebody was manipulating the figures.

There is about 45 km of double track line to do of which they are claiming 63% of the contact and catenary installed. That leaves about 16.6 km of double track (or equivalent to do. Not to mention the crossings and turnouts with their added complications. The wires have been up though Brighton for some weeks but 62430 reported that were still being fixed yesterday. Consider also that this reported length completed includes the Seaford extension which has been operational from months.

I don't believe the earthing and bonding figures. Only last night a friend from SAPN was saying they are having great difficulty with the earthing cross connections with the railway. The fight hasn't started yet!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Where's the stats on signaling? You know, the project that is holding up the opening...
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Where's the stats on signaling? You know, the project that is holding up the opening...
Aaron

Thats what I wanted to see too I dont give a hoot about the electrification progress update since that can be done with overnight and weekend works when the line is open so that doesn't really mean much its the signalling works update I want to see with a chart like that.
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
Thats what I wanted to see too I dont give a hoot about the electrification progress update since that can be done with overnight and weekend works when the line is open so that doesn't really mean much its the signalling works update I want to see with a chart like that.
Right here.

PERCENTAGE OF WORKS COMPLETE (%) - MID OCTOBER 2013



http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0016/118015/2013_10_signalling_progress_stats.PNG
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Thanks Tonsley, sorry to read about your line mate... On the back of those stats I am predicting Seaford line opening after the election now. By then we might also just have enough funds in the bank to complete Tonsley!

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