WAGR U Class, Trying to track down what happend to the rest of the batch in Sudan

 
  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

Hey guys, after finding out that the WAGR U class was only a small number of the original batch, I have gained an intrest in finding out what happened to the ones that got to Sudan.

Currently I have found two pictures of one, but there is no dates or locations on them.

http://www.friendsoftherail.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=500

http://img.posterlounge.de/images/wbig/damien-simonis-a-rusting-old-steam-locomotive-at-atbara-harks-back-to-british-colonial-rule-of-the-sudan-the-count-45563.jpg

Any help would be much appreciated!

-Radzaarty-

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  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

Currently in contact with people on an African site that is like Railpage, here is the link to the topic discussion.

http://www.friendsoftherail.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=10491&p=31195#p31195
  WAGR Chief Commissioner

Currently in contact with people on an African site that is like Railpage Australia, here is the link to the topic discussion.

http://www.friendsoftherail.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=10491&p=31195#p31195
"Radzaarty"


Hey Jayden, a great project look forward to the result. In your talks on the South African forum you mentioned the UT being 4-8-4.
I think it is a 4-6-4. The UT had the heaviest driving wheel axle load of all WAGR steam Locos
  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

Whoops, that was a late night typo, I'll fix that up.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Hey guys, after finding out that the WAGR U class was only a small number of the original batch, I have gained an intrest in finding out what happened to the ones that got to Sudan.

"Radzaarty"


Talking of sending Australian locomotives (and rolling stock???) to other countries during WWII, standard gauge NSW locomotives and rolling stock was going to be sent to Iran around Sep 1941 to assist in delivering war time materials from the Persian Gulf across Iran to Russia.

However Pearl harbour intervened in Dec 1941 and made this impossible.

Iran and NSW shared these attributes.
* gauge - 4' 8.5"
* air brakes
* screw couplings and buffers (some Alliance auto couplers in NSW)
* cannot speak for loading gauge, though Iran and NSW had lots and lots of tunnels.


* Sudan and WA shared
* gauge - 3' 6"
* cannot speak for
** vacuum (?) brakes
** chopper (?) couplings
** loading gauge, though Sudan and WA had few if any tunnels.



  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

Well guys, It's been a while but I've found some more pictures of the Sudanese U class operating in the 70's and what seems to be the remains of one.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30937/9572135725/in/photostream/ The album with them operating

http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/trains/sudan01.htm and the unfortunate remains of one.

It seems unlike the rest of Africa steam didn't survive into preservation very well.
  Bahnfrend Station Master

Location: Perth, WA
The Wikipedia article (which I created) about the WAGR U class includes a bibliography that cites the book by R Tourret, "Allied Military Locomotives of the Second World War".  I do not (yet) have a copy of that book, but it probably has some information about the similar locomotives that went to Sudan, including their ultimate fate.  Although the book was published as long ago as 1995, it is still available from the publisher:

http://www.tourretpublishing.com/AlliedMilitaryLocomotivesOfWW2.htm
  M636C Minister for Railways

Since there isn't much basic information on this thread I thought I might provide some background from Tourret's book.

The design was from the Sudan railway 220 class of which 16 (220-235) had been built pre WWII by North British.

An additional 55 locomotives were built in 1942 by NBL for the WD, Contract L939, builder's numbers 24816 to 24870.

These had WD numbers 2800 to 2854, later 72800 to 72854.

Only 25 locomotives were used during WWII, becoming Sudan 236 to 260

10 additional locomotives sent to Africa but not used were taken into stock by the Sudan GR in 1946 and 1947, numbers 261 to 270

Of the remaining 20 locomotives which had been stored in the UK, 14 became WAGR U class and 6 went to the Trans Zambesia Railway as Class F, numbers 25 to 30.

Tourret reported that ten locomotives were still in use on the SGR in 1983, with many others stored.
I believe that some locomotives were repaired during the 1990s in an attempt to restore services during a relatively peaceful period.

M636C

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