ab123 Chief Train Controller

If it was a yearly myki student pass it should have cost $0.

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I though I was well informed about myki, but didn't know that it was valid on V/line road coaches.
Gauntlet
Only some.  Not on the ones that I use regularly - they were left out when Ted cut back the operational functions to exclude areas past the inter-urban zones.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
V/Line web page says:

Where can I currently use myki?
myki can be used on:
  • all metropolitan trains, trams and buses within Zones 1 + 2;
  • V/Line trains travelling:
  • Wholly within metropolitan Melbourne Zones 1 + 2 , (between Melbourne and Ardeer, Deer Park, Rockbank, Melton, Diggers Rest, Sunbury, Craigieburn, and Pakenham).
  • On the Geelong line, all stations between and including Melbourne and Marshall.
  • On the Ballarat line, all stations between and including Melbourne and Wendouree.
  • On the Bendigo line, all stations between and including Melbourne and Eaglehawk.
  • On the Seymour line, All stations between and including Melbourne and Seymour.
  • On the Gippsland line, all stations between and including Melbourne and Traralgon.
Regional town buses in Ballarat, Geelong, Bendigo, Seymour and the Latrobe Valley.
myki cannot currently be used on:
  • V/Line train and coach services outside the V/Line commuter station areas (listed above)....
Myki
Link: http://www.vline.com.au/fares-and-tickets/tickets/myki.html

Which means that we have found yet another quirk of Myki and V/Line.
Geelong to Ballarat direct via coach is within the V/Line commuter area but Myki is not valid on the coaches, yet it seems that Myki is valid on the Melbourne - Cowes/Inverloch coach services Confused
And I tried to find the fare for Myki to Cowes on both the Myki web site, and the PTV web site, and couldnt't find anything that came close to giving me an answer.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
I think perhaps it's valid because the Cowes coach falls within the Gippsland service group as do the related Yarram coaches.  These provide most of the public transport service to Tooraddin which is in Z2.  

The Cowes - Frankston bus does not accept Myki neither does the ferry to Stony Point from which it's only a Z1+2 fare to the City.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Very interesting, Gwiwer.
The way I see it is, if Myki is valid on the Frankston to Portsea service, then logically it should be valid on the Frankston to Cowes service as well.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
if Myki is valid on the Frankston to Portsea service, then logically it should be valid on the Frankston to Cowes service as well.
 The Cowes - Frankston bus only runs once every 2 weeks (!!) so while Myki may be introduced on it in the future the last time I spoke with the driver he wasn't aware of being able to accept Myki and - as per the timetable - would only accept pre-booked passengers anyway.  As a public transport asset it's not exactly in the first league nor the most user-friendly of options.  

The 788 Frankston - Portsea bus is rather more frequent.  And since when did logic and public transport co-exist happily?  Wink

Of the few people who might make the trip from Cowes at all often I suspect most would use the ferry and Stony Point train which offer 2 - 4 journey options every day.  V/Line offers the main PT service for all points between Cowes - Tooraddin then continues to Melbourne with Z2 bus connections available at no additional cost (per V/Line ticketing conditions) via Cranbourne or Dandenong for Frankston.

No community is served exclusively by the Cowes - Frankston bus though it is the only service along part of the Baxter - Tooraddin Road.
  kenify Station Master

 The Cowes - Frankston bus only runs once every 2 weeks (!!) so while Myki may be introduced on it in the future the last time I spoke with the driver he wasn't aware of being able to accept Myki and - as per the timetable - would only accept pre-booked passengers anyway.  As a public transport asset it's not exactly in the first league nor the most user-friendly of options.  

The 788 Frankston - Portsea bus is rather more frequent.  And since when did logic and public transport co-exist happily?  Wink

Of the few people who might make the trip from Cowes at all often I suspect most would use the ferry and Stony Point train which offer 2 - 4 journey options every day.  V/Line offers the main PT service for all points between Cowes - Tooraddin then continues to Melbourne with Z2 bus connections available at no additional cost (per V/Line ticketing conditions) via Cranbourne or Dandenong for Frankston.

No community is served exclusively by the Cowes - Frankston bus though it is the only service along part of the Baxter - Tooraddin Road.
Gwiwer
I think I found my own answer in the 2013 Victorian Public Transport Student Concession
Card and Student Pass Application Form;
Section E: Student Passes (Available to primary and secondary students only)
VPT Student Concession Card fee: $9
Please cross applicable box
X Primary Yearly X Tertiary Yearly
X Secondary Yearly X Tertiary Half Yearly
I certify as correct the details of the student named in this application form and whose photographs are attached. I have verified these details
by inspection of records held by this School/Institution. I declare that this student is full-time and eligible for a VPT Student Concession Card.
I agree that this School/Institution will, upon request by PTV, confirm whether or not these details remain correct.
Half Yearly Yearly
X $255.00 X $489.00
Victorian Student Pass
• Entitles the student to unlimited travel on metropolitan trains, trams, and buses, regional town
bus services and V/Line train and coach services (except for special or chartered services)
operating wholly within Victoria.
• This Student Pass is an entitlement electronically loaded onto a concession myki.
• The myki card number will be written on the VPT Student Concession Card. Both the myki and
VPT Student Concession Card must be carried at all times when travelling.
Students attending a TAFE College and studying full-time
VCE or VCAL are eligible to obtain a VPT Secondary Student
Concession Card.


So it seems her fare from Cowes to Kew is free as it is covered by the above.
  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
The Student Pass is loaded as both an all-zones myki pass and also a special foil endorsement on the Concession Card, which serves as a valid ticket on services where myki is not accepted.
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

Here's one for those who think I only defend myki at every turn:

I've noticed that barrier staff can set a barrier to allow people to exit only, without touching off. The paddles are normally closed, but open for you when you walk up to them from inside the station, regardless of if you touch your myki. I assume this is an attempt to clear crowds faster, and so busy staff don't have to deal with everyone who hasn't touched on - they just tell them to walk thu a closed barrier, which is confusing at first.
This can lead to the following problem:
I just want to get thru the barrier as quickly as possible, so I slap my myki on the reader as soon as I can reach, and leave it there while I continue up to the paddle, usually walking into it before it opens because they're so slow. If I do this on a barrier set to allow anyone to exit, the paddles actually open before I reach them, and before the reader has finished touching off my card. I used to assume that some barriers were just fast (silly me), but now I see what's happening: the paddles are opening regardless.
So this is a problem. It's ok for me, because I have a monthly and don't need to touch off. But others who assume that when the barriers open you're touched off will be default fared and not realise how.

When people realise that this can happen, queues to exit will get even longer because everyone will have to check if the reader really did touch them off when the paddles opened.
  liron Junior Train Controller

I have a question about on the spot Myki replacement.

Suppose I take a soon to be expiring Myki to a train station and get it replaced. [EDIT: Suppose I take public transport to get to the staffed station and so I have an active product, e.g. zone 1 2 hour] Will it be on the replacement card or will I lose that one and have to pay for it again when I go back?

I rang the PTV call centre but they didn't know the answer.
  g00r Locomotive Fireman

Here's one for those who think I only defend myki at every turn:

I've noticed that barrier staff can set a barrier to allow people to exit only, without touching off. The paddles are normally closed, but open for you when you walk up to them from inside the station, regardless of if you touch your myki. I assume this is an attempt to clear crowds faster, and so busy staff don't have to deal with everyone who hasn't touched on - they just tell them to walk thu a closed barrier, which is confusing at first.
This can lead to the following problem:
I just want to get thru the barrier as quickly as possible, so I slap my myki on the reader as soon as I can reach, and leave it there while I continue up to the paddle, usually walking into it before it opens because they're so slow. If I do this on a barrier set to allow anyone to exit, the paddles actually open before I reach them, and before the reader has finished touching off my card. I used to assume that some barriers were just fast (silly me), but now I see what's happening: the paddles are opening regardless.
So this is a problem. It's ok for me, because I have a monthly and don't need to touch off. But others who assume that when the barriers open you're touched off will be default fared and not realise how.

When people realise that this can happen, queues to exit will get even longer because everyone will have to check if the reader really did touch them off when the paddles opened.
bramt
It is true that barriers are set to 'walk through' mode in one direction.  Two problems with this are that you don't know which/if barrier(s) are set to this mode and this program isn't permanent.  You can set banks of barriers to operate in different modes during different times of the day.  Barriers will automatically become one-way during the morning and afternoon peaks.  This will override the 'walk through' setting unless someone has set it to be permanent.

As for being charged the default fare, Myki always assumes you are travelling towards zone 1.  I can't think of any stations in zone two that have a bank of barriers that are set to all-closed.  So the only barriers that you may encounter would probably be at a zone 1 station.  So if you have touched on, by default you will be charged a zone 1 2-hour fare.
(Although PTV will miss out on traveller statistics if you don't touch off).  Oh and you may receive a letter from the nosey NSA asking you to touch off to save their analysts having to manually review video footage.
  g00r Locomotive Fireman

I have a question about on the spot Myki replacement.

Suppose I take a soon to be expiring Myki to a train station and get it replaced. [EDIT: Suppose I take public transport to get to the staffed station and so I have an active product, e.g. zone 1 2 hour] Will it be on the replacement card or will I lose that one and have to pay for it again when I go back?

I rang the PTV call centre but they didn't know the answer.
liron
If you touched on, and your card stopped working when you tried to touch off, you would forfeit your 2-hour pass unless you submitted a request for credit to myki directly.

If you touched on, and took your card to a station to transfer the remaining credit, I believe your card would then have a $0.00 balance but you will still have the active pass until it expires. (Your replacement card would show a $0.00 balance until the next day)
  liron Junior Train Controller

If you touched on, and took your card to a station to transfer the remaining credit, I believe your card would then have a $0.00 balance but you will still have the active pass until it expires. (Your replacement card would show a $0.00 balance until the next day)
g00r
Thanks for your answer.  The Myki website says that for a working Myki, the balance is transferred instantly, so it should appear instantly on the new card.

My question was in relation to a Myki that had been touched off, but for which a 2 hour 'product' had not expired, and whether the product will appear on the new Myki.  Or alternatively, a Myki for which a 2 hour product had expired, and whether the new Myki would turn any further travel in that zone to a daily product or would you end up paying for three sets of 2 hour fares instead of two.

All my questions are for Myki money, not Myki pass.
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

It is true that barriers are set to 'walk through' mode in one direction.  Two problems with this are that you don't know which/if barrier(s) are set to this mode and this program isn't permanent.  You can set banks of barriers to operate in different modes during different times of the day.  Barriers will automatically become one-way during the morning and afternoon peaks.  This will override the 'walk through' setting unless someone has set it to be permanent.

As for being charged the default fare, Myki always assumes you are travelling towards zone 1.  I can't think of any stations in zone two that have a bank of barriers that are set to all-closed.  So the only barriers that you may encounter would probably be at a zone 1 station.  So if you have touched on, by default you will be charged a zone 1 2-hour fare.
(Although PTV will miss out on traveller statistics if you don't touch off).  Oh and you may receive a letter from the nosey NSA asking you to touch off to save their analysts having to manually review video footage.
g00r
Thanks for that info.
Re default fares: aren't you charged a default fare of a zone 1-2 2h if you're using myki money and fail to touch off at all? Or are you saying it knows if you touched on on a platform travelling toward the city or away, and will only default to a z1-2 if you touch on in zone 1 and head Down the line?