An uncertain future - Seymour Railway Heritage Centre (SRHC)

 

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  darcycammo Chief Train Controller

Location: cockatoo vic
Just to add more to the story From the newsletter the other day from SGTR

T342 – At the last Committee meeting a motion was passed returning control of T342 to the Great Southern Railway Society. As such SGR now no longer has any further interest or responsibility for the locomotive.

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  LegendsofSteam Junior Train Controller

Just to add more to the story From the newsletter the other day from SGTR

T342 – At the last Committee meeting a motion was passed returning control of T342 to the Great Southern Railway Society. As such SGR now no longer has any further interest or responsibility for the locomotive.
"darcycammo"


I believe GSRS is also the owner of one of the BRS' (BRS 227 - since renumbered to BRS 3 or similar, if memory serves me correctly) also stored at SRHC... Open to correction of course!
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
I believe GSRS is also the owner of one of the BRS' (BRS 227 - since renumbered to BRS 3 or similar, if memory serves me correctly) also stored at SRHC... Open to correction of course!
LegendsofSteam
Correct. 3BS.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It seems that SRHC are offering heritage shuttles between Seymour and Nagambie on Oct 19 for the "Tastes of the Goulburn" Festival.  707 Operations are also running R707 to Seymour for a quick visit on the day as well (nice to see some line-speed steam action scheduled in Smile):
http://www.707operations.com.au/Main.asp?_=Coming+Trips+-+19+October+2013
http://www.tastesofthegoulburn.org.au/whats_on.html

So I suppose public trips on SRHC trains aren't dead yet.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Interesting letter in today's Sunday Age:- The RACV Board comprises 15 members; 30,000 members elect 9 members of the Board, and 2.12 million members get to elect the other 6 Board members. To quote, "The directors representing less than 1.5 per cent of the total membership control the organisation."

Reminds me of something similar in Seymour.
  Junior Rodgie Dodgie

Location: Allansford
A few weeks ago. There was a Wedding of TWO former members of SRHC. Both met through the group. Both are no longer members of the group. They asked all former members to stand behind them so all other guests could see what SRHC have lost. 33 members were in the group behind them! A couple of pics from the day. Posted with permission of the couple.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/79593666@N04/9794316726/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79593666@N04/9793939966/
SRHC's Y133 got used as well
http://www.flickr.com/photos/79593666@N04/9793579825/
The full set
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
It seems that SRHC are offering heritage shuttles between Seymour and Nagambie on Oct 19 for the "Tastes of the Goulburn" Festival.  707 Operations are also running R707 to Seymour for a quick visit on the day as well (nice to see some line-speed steam action scheduled in Smile):
http://www.707operations.com.au/Main.asp?_=Coming+Trips+-+19+October+2013
http://www.tastesofthegoulburn.org.au/whats_on.html

So I suppose public trips on SRHC trains aren't dead yet.
Carnot
They'll do the shuttles with four carriages; then complain that they didn't get enough passengers, so they can use the excuse that heritage trains aren't viable anymore. It's happened in the past. It's also worth noting that these shuttles are the first SRHC train that the public have been able to access since the New Year Fireworks train (which should be noted was a disenfranchised member's idea). Perhaps they need to run another trip to Tocumwal to prove me wrong.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Apparently SRHC ran a wedding charter to Tocumwal in September, consisting of Yarra, Avoca, SOP Dining Car and Parlour Car.
Have retention toilets been fitted? . . . does anyone know?
  RailwayCop2004 Locomotive Fireman

I have followed this for a long time now without commenting, but I feel it is time that I add a little of the knowledge I have to this discussion in the hope that the truth will eventually be told.

While the president of SRHC must shoulder the blame for the failures of the organisation, he is not clever enough to have run this rental program without the advice and assistance of others.

Questions must also be asked about the role played by a consultant who has provided advice to the SRHC president and been a background player between SRHC, El Zorro, and the governments Freight logistics & Marine (FLAM) organisation.

For those not familiar with FLAM, it is on the same floor as the transport minister (L16 101 Exhibition St) and the vic.gov.au website describes FLAM's role as:
"Freight, Logistics and Marine delivers the government's policies in the ports, maritime, freight and logistics sectors in partnership with agencies, industry and the community. The division encourages better use of Victoria's freight network, plans for freight growth and works to overcome critical freight bottlenecks through infrastructure investment."

As many of you know, the politics of the times decided to support the role of El Zorro in the Victorian rail freight scene when PN withdrew from many areas of Victorian rail freight.

I have come to learn and understand that when FLAM decided to prop up El Zorro's operations, the consultant saw a way of helping out his old mates in the government (and himself), and in doing so he manipulated others and helped create the chaos that has led to the destruction of SRHC's reputation through El Zorro's well documented failures.

Over the years, FLAM, in an effort to prolong the operation, has facilitated the payment of some outstanding bills by El Zorro to various organisations, including unpaid ARTC and VicTrack access fees that were in the press a while back. The change of government and the implementation of their fiscal policy hastened the inevitable demise of El Zorro as they could not stand unsupported.

SRHC has been used by others as a tool to prop up a commercial operation that was clearly managed incompetently and was totally unviable, but was seen politically as necessary, and has now been abandoned by the faceless men of the old boys network. This thread has been primarily focused on one man when there are many others who need to come under scrutiny for their roles in this shifty program.

With hinsight, building SRHC into the biggest heritage organisation through the rent a government asset program (which I believe is what was promised to the SRHC president), has now compromised the viability of SRHC moving forward, and led to the president imitating an Ostrich, believing if he does and says nothing, it will all go away.

The president, I believe, is being advised by the consultant that all will be well in time, so now I have to wonder if the consultant is trying to look after his mate and get the government to bail out SRHC as a reward for co-operating in the 'keep El Zorro alive' campaign?

Anything is possible, but the other creditors I have personally spoken to would have issues with that, so I doubt they will have any success.

Time is here for the truth to come from the cast of this debacle, featuring the president of SRHC, the consultant, the government through FLAM and El Zorro. This will only happen if you continue to ask the appropriate, sensible questions and hold the players accountable for their actions. The best thing the president can do for himself is to stand down until a proper inquiry can be convened where he can tell the truth, but until he does that he continues be a puppet of the faceless men and remains the sole focus in this mess.

I hope this post sheds some more light on this topic and stimulates people to continue the search for the true story.

Good luck!
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Has there been a AGM ?

Regards,
David Head
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Seems extremely plausible.

AGM should be later this month.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
The remaining 6 full members of the Society could probably hold the AGM at a booth in a McCafe!!! Smile
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Reading the post from  RailwayCop2004 makes a few things fall into place, and slightly increases the number of people involved in some appalling mis-management. The consultant scenario is a very plausible one, and unworthy of those involved.  (I would like to add to that, but common sense tells me not to.)
The "one man" is still at the top of the hit list for naiviety - for not getting it in writing ! Millions of dollars are not dealt with on an "Old Boy" basis.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It may seem indecent to mention this, but I wonder whether J512 has any future at all. The frame sat outside the SRHC Mechanical Workshop for years, and may still be there, quietly rusting into oblivion. If SRHC is not going to restore it, I'm sure VGR would like it, if only as a source of spares. Has anyone heard of any definite plans?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The blog is back with some photos of the wedding charter last month and a video of T382 firing up.  No mention of J512 etc.
http://srhcblog.blogspot.com.au/
  RailwayCop2004 Locomotive Fireman

I have been contacted by people inquiring as to the identity of the consultant I mentioned.
In response to those making enquires, I wish to refer you all to the name plates on the SRHC 'B' class for the answer.
Sad that someone who helped build something is ultimately a part of its possible demise through foolish, inappropriate meddling.
Continue to question everything about all of the individuals involved in this failed plan!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I think the legendary Blind Freddy could have picked that one without any difficulty.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The blog has been asleep for a month; anyone heard anything about an Annual General Meeting?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
I'm wondering if the people who attended had to be inducted first, seeing as it's usually held in 'B' box at the depot.
It would also be interesting to read the financial report as well.
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Update to the blog today it would seem:

http://srhcblog.blogspot.com.au/
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Nothing new there.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Did anyone spot the mistake?

I also note that the same people seem to have been photographed to show how 'popular' the train is. Not that this is a huge problem in itself, but anyone who has even a rough eye for detail will pick up on it. From my observation, the shuttles were reasonably patronised, but not a roaring success as the blog implies.

I still can't get over how this is only the second time that the public have been able to access SRHC trains this year. One would think that with the aftermath of the El Shonko collapse, they would be after as much revenue as possible to stay afloat - especially seeing as pretty much all of the work is now performed by paid employees, and only focuses on diesel locomotives.

Where are they getting their money from?

Selling diesel locomotive parts perhaps.....?
  SN7 Chief Commissioner

Poor old GM 36 hasn't seen any TLC sine the demise of EL Z .
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Poor old GM 36 hasn't seen any TLC sine the demise of EL Z .
SN7

And it never saw any before it.  That unit has well and truly had a very hard working life and should be repainted

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