Unley Council and ARTC

 
  Sojourner Train Controller

Thought this might be of interest to some of the crew in here, taken from City of Unley, Councillor Mike Hudson's personal blog site,


No good(wood) news on freight trains.NOVEMBER 21, 2013




Councillor Bob Schnell’s name translates to “fast” in German. But the Goowood Ward representative on Unley Council is pressing for just the opposite when it comes to rail traffic through his Local Government patch.
In a call to the Australian Rail Track Corporation he has suggested a 40kph limit to protect residents and reduce rail noise. The answer from ARTC? “We aren’t entering into a debate on the issue”.
Meanwhile Councillor Schnell has railed against the 90kph zone between Goodwood and Mile End as “totally outrageous”, and has said that the freights should travel at the same speed as cars on surrounding roads..
But ARTC says that the line, which carries up to a dozen goods trains each day, has been designed for the higher speed and this will help reduce waiting time at level crossings.
So I suppose there is SOME gain..

http://grumpyinunley.wordpress.com/2013/11/21/no-goodwood-news-on-freight-trains/

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

ARTC have answered well to refuse debating it, getting drawn into an ugly slanging match with a councillor would be below them.

Would any trains on the ARTC line (outside of a lightly-loaded Overland) actually be capable of hitting anything near the maximum limit of 90 km/h anywhere in the Goodwood area? The rear end of a 1500m train would still be clearing the sharp curve heading into the underpass at Anzac Highway when the front is over the Seaford Line underpass.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
ARTC have answered well to refuse debating it, getting drawn into an ugly slanging match with a councillor would be below them.

Would any trains on the ARTC line (outside of a lightly-loaded Overland) actually be capable of hitting anything near the maximum limit of 90 km/h anywhere in the Goodwood area? The rear end of a 1500m train would still be clearing the sharp curve heading into the underpass at Anzac Highway when the front is over the Seaford Line underpass.
justapassenger
Light engine movement ?

The Overland terminates after going though low speed turnouts In that 90 km/h section.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I hadn't thought of light engines!

The Overland should be capable of hitting 90 in that area on a departing service towards Melbourne after clearing the last turnout in the underpass (I believe the track speed in the underpass and around the corner on the mainline is 40 km/h) but there would be little incentive to accelerate that aggressively when it would only make for a longer wait at the first passing loop where it has to stop.
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
Certainly through Hawthorn, Unley Park and Millswood, I've noticed that freight trains are thundering along much faster than they used to, now that speed restrictions around Goodwood Jn and the construction zones are lifted.  But they seem to slow down a fair bit for the Goodwood / Mile End area.
I can understand it being a bit noisier for residents now, but you get the noise for less time and much shorter waits at the level crossings.
Of course, if some councillors are proposing all trains run at the same speed as local roads, shouldn't this apply equally throughout the metro area?  Meaning all north and southbound freights should be restricted to 40 or 50 kph through, for example Dudley Park, Parafield Gardens and Salisbury?
Or are Unley residents somehow special and need protecting?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It should actually be quieter through the Goodwood area, trains cruising through are quieter than trains screeching to a halt and then revving up to restart. You would also hope that the new track was properly constructed to make less rail noise than the old one did over the flat crossing.

I do feel for people around the Victoria Street area though, the new level crossing has the loudspeaker bell sounds and a piercing pedestrian alarm where the old one only had the quieter electro-mechanical bells.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Or are Unley residents somehow special and need protecting?

They think they are somehow special. No other inner city council has a 40kph limit. Frustrated Burnside residents I think.

I must admit that freight moving over the Goodwood underpass at closer to the track speed is a bit awesome when standing by the fence in SASMEE's grounds.

Considering the proximity of the trains to persons and buildings limiting train speeds to say 70 or 60 khp from Clapham down would be wise. One derailment and it would be all over red rover for that route.

Ian
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I can't see lower speed limits happening on that section. Mile End to the next 1500m loop at Belair or the 1800m loop at Ambleside is one of the worst pinch points on the ARTC East-West corridor and I can't see ARTC wanting to reduce the capacity even further.

Burnside is a completely separate local government area by the way, and Unley's 40 km/h limit is quite effective at making the streets welcome for cyclists and unwelcome for rat runners on arterial journeys. I also happen to think this is probably one councillor trying to set themselves up as a Defender Of The Underdog, and not actually an official policy adopted by the City of Unley.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

"Burnside is a completely separate local government area by the way,"

Do you think I am dumb? (Don't answer that.)

BTW I have a friend who is on Unley Council, let me say, we do not agree in everything. He and his wife even cycle to the opera all dressed up.

Since damage done is proportional to the square of the speed a 30% reduction in speed will result in half the damage.

Belair loop could be extended around Fosters Corner to get it to 1800m. Similarly Mile End loop could be extended over the Glover underpass.

New loops could be built by extending Mt Lofty down to Aldgate, there is room., and from Mitcham to Lynton, not as easy but could be done.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I never cease to be fascinated by the fact that Adelaide is the only place in the world where trains travel at moderately high speeds through built up areas.

Perhaps we could market it as a tourist attraction?
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Considering the proximity of the trains to persons and buildings limiting train speeds to say 70 or 60 khp from Clapham down would be wise. One derailment and it would be all over red rover for that route.
steam4ian
60-70 kph is probably close to the practical speed for a freight train anyway:  by the time a train has unravelled itself from the curve south of the Sleeps Hill tunnel it could conceivably reach this speed by, say, Clapham to Torrens Park, but in a fairly short time have to slow for the curve into the Mile End loop.

60kph makes it a bit under 2 minutes to clear Cross Road, which is a considerable improvement on the old 8 or so minutes of a train slowing to stop 1500 metres later at Goodwood Junction.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The next thing you know he will want a man with a red flag walking in front of both trains and road vehicles to keep them slow. I better shut up the walls have ears. LaughingLaughing

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