Boat People - where to now!

 
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I'm laughing, and I don't care!
"Pressman"



Please continue, gents, almost as good as the cricket.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I only asked if there was any relationship to the Australian League of Rights because 2301 seems to be using lots of their material, the quote I picked out before "eternal vigilance is the price of democracy" is actually an old Eric Butler quote and they're completely obsessed with communism (still)...

A lot of people go crook about the League of Rights but in my opinion they're just a harmless rural book club.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Scott Morrison said at the weekly press conference that the boats are starting to slow.

I can just hear the dinner table conversations in Iran happening right now:

"Hey Abdullah, we must go back to Australia when nice Labor man and woman come back; they so nice to us - they give money for no work so we can buy more goats, motel with running water and even send courtesy pick up ship from Indonesia for our visa - they so good - Abbott man he only give sh1t tent on sh1t island - he not nice man."

Ah yes, those Laborites Pliberspak and electricity Bill will stop them!
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
I only asked if there was any relationship to the Australian League of Rights because 2301 seems to be using lots of their material, the quote I picked out before "eternal vigilance is the price of democracy" is actually an old Eric Butler quote and they're completely obsessed with communism (still)...

A lot of people go crook about the League of Rights but in my opinion they're just a harmless rural book club.
don_dunstan
Don, no.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If you're not affiliated with the League of Rights in any way then I'd suggest you should look at getting involved; they have a lot of ideas that are extremely sympathetic to your own including:

* Exposing international conspiracies (particularly the Rothschilds and other international bankers) against Australian independence.
* Exposing the conspiracy to set up an Islamic caliphate in Australia
* Against foreign ownership of Australian resources such as power, water.
* Against the power of big business and foreign treaties the usurp the power of domestic law.  
* Dead against foreign treaties such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

A lot of people chastise them as a far right fringe group but many of their political stances are more sort of 'agrarian socialist' in the vein of what the old Country Party was like.  I think perhaps instead of haunting this forum it might be time for you to consider taking yourself somewhere that your kind of opinions are much more welcome - I mean it should be obvious to you by now that you need to be associating with like-minded people and the the League of Rights is somewhere that you could express yourself without the constant annoyance of the socialist conspirators we (apparently) have in our midst here at Railpage.

Unless the purpose of your being here is to annoy?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Don, the answer is straight forward: A little from Column 'A', and a little from Column 'B'.
Best to ignore it now I reckon. We've wasted far too much time giving it attention it doesn't deserve.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Best to ignore it now I reckon. We've wasted far too much time giving it attention it doesn't deserve.
Barrington Womble
I do feel we're dealing with someone who's actually extremely lonely and isolated - I wanted to suggest an alternative where he can let it all hang out with like-minded people.  I think that's what he really needs.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
I do feel we're dealing with someone who's actually extremely lonely and isolated - I wanted to suggest an alternative where he can let it all hang out with like-minded people.  I think that's what he really needs.
don_dunstan
Fair enough, but I don't think your advice/suggestions will be heeded somehow.
  kapow Junior Train Controller

Scott Morrison said at the weekly press conference that the boats are starting to slow.

I can just hear the dinner table conversations in Iran happening right now:

"Hey Abdullah, we must go back to Australia when nice Labor man and woman come back; they so nice to us - they give money for no work so we can buy more goats, motel with running water and even send courtesy pick up ship from Indonesia for our visa - they so good - Abbott man he only give sh1t tent on sh1t island - he not nice man."

Ah yes, those Laborites Pliberspak and electricity Bill will stop them!
2301
Wow! That is just downright embarrassing
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Yes, the boats are slowing, from seven knots to five!
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
...

I can just hear the dinner table conversations in Iran happening right now:

"Hey Abdullah, we must go back to Australia when nice Labor man and woman come back; they so nice to us - they give money for no work so we can buy more goats, motel with running water and even send courtesy pick up ship from Indonesia for our visa - they so good - Abbott man he only give sh1t tent on sh1t island - he not nice man."

...
2301
Me Tarzan, you Jane... Laughing

Alan Jones when commenting on that recent Sydney shooting of the 13yo girl pointed out that the father spoke "broken English".
Obviously that is a significant factor Rolling Eyes
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Well in Australia, we operate on an unwritten queue system. Its everywhere, and we ALL unwittingly do it.

Think about it................

You go anywhere to do anything, get on a bus, train, goto the football, or even goto the toilet at the football, goto medicare or the doctors. You get in the queue, you wait your turn, and when your number is called - you get your turn.
We Aussies hate queue jumpers, cheats and bludgers. Anyone jumping the queue at the train, bus or football, or even waiting in line for the toilet, or the queue at medicare would be told quite sternly where to go. True??

Yet someone wants to come to Australia. They have two choices here;
1 - They could apply, get a sponsor, job etc, and wait in the queue untill told to come along?? OR
2 - they could do what we see in Indonesia. They decide to come by boat. They decide F you and your queue, F you and your rules and the system you Aussies live by. Its all about me, me, me and whatever I need to get there, and whatever YOU will do to support me, and be damned to your bloody queue. I'm not waiting to be asked to come over, I'm coming over NOW.

So what happens then? Joe Blo on the street sees this and says "Hang on a minute!! If these people cant demonstrate a fundamenatal respect for the basic way we go about things here (cos I have to get in a friggin queue all the time), if they're not prepared to get in a queue like i have to, then they can all go and get stuffed. I dont like queue jumpers, they're cheating the system", and that what this is. Go to anyone else's country and push in line, see what happens.

The queue is a basic wiring construct in all of us, and those disrespecting this are treated with the distain they deserve. We all do this to each other where warranted, regardles of the country we were born in, or what colour our skin happens to be. Its just the way we are. Its the rules.

Untill the queue is respected (because its everywhere in every facet of our lives) then people who get on a boat (and queue jump) will never get sympathy for their plight from the majority of the Australian public. Opinion poles a plenty to prove this.

RESPECT THE QUEUE - and who knows, peoples opinions may just change.
We had a government that tried for a while to have us believe that getting in a que to come here didn't apply to certain people. When the Australian public were asked on this issue recently, a difinitive answer was given (regardles of whether you believe or respect it).

Regards

p.s - Its not racist to simply ask- just get in the fricken queue, like the rest of us have to!!!

Regards
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Queue is the word you're looking for. Smile

We've covered this ground before in the thread, and I'm sure you'll find the answer to your post if you go back a bit. Just ignore the more insane posts.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Queue is the word you're looking for. Smile

We've covered this ground before in the thread, and I'm sure you'll find the answer to your post if you go back a bit. Just ignore the more insane posts.
Barrington Womble

Corrected as noted.

And i see what you mean

Cheers
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
I don't think anyone has advocated "open borders" in this thread. However with some (one) of the posters it's all about demonising anyone trying to get here by boat to make the issue seem more threatening than it is.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Getting back to boat people all Mr Abbott has to do is tell the Indonesian Government that aid will be reduced or stopped by Australia to them by $5m for every boat that arrives illegally here in Australia, it would eventually end up with the Indonesian's getting nothing, but I bet you they would take action before it got that far. This might be what needs to be done, take a deep breath and simply tell them straight out, no bull manure at all. They then might do something themselves about these people smugglers, you have to be cruel at times to get some action. Probably would not work though as some of these governments are that corrupt that it would not surprise me in the least to find some Indonesian MP's that were actually involved in it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The first act as a new government was to cut Australian aid to Indonesia to next to nothing so unfortunately that bit of leverage has already gone.
  9034 Train Controller

The first act as a new government was to cut Australian aid to Indonesia to next to nothing so unfortunately that bit of leverage has already gone.
don_dunstan
Any simple check would show how incorrect that statement is.

From the DFAT  website.  

http://aid.dfat.gov.au/countries/eastasia/indonesia/Pages/home.aspx


The exact values are as follows:
  • 2001-02: AusAID $111,263,788. OGD $11,532,868
  • 2002-03: AusAID $118,875,497. OGD $13,015,994
  • 2003-04: AusAID $144,795,211. OGD $13,717,125
  • 2004-05: AusAID $175,151,728. OGD $55,354,510
  • 2005-06: AusAID $257,907,676. OGD $17,895,447
  • 2006-07: AusAID $319,532,733. OGD $18,237,869
  • 2007-08: AusAID $391,410,465. OGD $32,963,652
  • 2008-09: AusAID $417,328,183. OGD $24,236,845
  • 2009-10: AusAID $417,830,638. OGD $39,660,104
  • 2010-11: AusAID $369,953,897. OGD $36,727,534
  • 2011-12: AusAID $470,632,660. OGD $43,917,284
  • 2012-13 (estimated outcome): AusAID $506,709,008. OGD $34,877,722
  • 2013-14 (budget estimate): AusAID $622,785,435. OGD $23,969,110

Just keep on believing the lies that you are fed.

9034
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You've quoted some out-of-date figures there.  In fact, AUSAID was actually closed by the Abbott government the other day and absorbed into DFAT so they don't even exist any longer as an agency.

9034, your demeanour and manner is very much like another poster here on Railpage, do you have multiple handles here?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Yeah, I smell a rat. 9034 divided by 2301 is EXACTLY 3.9261 !!!!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yeah, I smell a rat. 9034 divided by 2301 is EXACTLY 3.9261 !!!!
TheBlacksmith
Wow! That's almost PI!
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Possible, but at least 9034 has tried to back his argument up with some form of proof.
The other user, does not. I'm not ruling it out though.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Me Tarzan, you Jane... Laughing

Alan Jones when commenting on that recent Sydney shooting of the 13yo girl pointed out that the father spoke "broken English".
Obviously that is a significant factor Rolling Eyes
Groundrelay
Well, he is probably just pointing out that some people of dubious character have been entering the country.  What is wrong with that Groundrelay?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Wow! That's almost PI!
Aaron
Mmmmmmm...PI...**Drools**
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Wow! That's almost PI!
"Aaron"

Mmmmmmm...PI...**Drools**
"Barrington Womble"


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