Is the Do Not Call Register a load of crap???

 
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Does anyone else get the annoying calls from call centres, market researchers, and other like minded idiots ringing between the inconsiderate hours of 5-7 Pm, despite being on the supposed "Do Not Call Register"??

Dont recall how many times we've added the phone to this, but to no avail. Now it seens, these toolbags are allowed to ring and harass you on your mobile as well.

Of late it seems, some of these tools are ringing with an automated system that doesn't answer you when you pick up, it must just count how many rings the phone goes for, before you pick up purely for some other form of research. I'm only guessing here, cos there's usally no one there, and it automatically hangs up from their end.

Is anyone else experiencing this??
Additionally, we're on Optus. Is Telstra or any of the smaller providers just as bad??

Regards

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I've had the opposite experience.  I used to be badgered unmercifully by these unsolicited phone calls, so I registered my number. It took about 5 weeks before there was a noticeable difference, and now these calls have ceased. I'm with Telstra, if that helps.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Also with Telstra and we have been reasonably successful but from time to time we get patches of calls. Trouble to us is charities and government surveys seem to be exempt from the ban.

Another pain are unsolicited emails from the likes of Hilton Hotels for example. I have unsubscribed a dozen times but they still keep coming. The Institute of Engineers is another one which when you go to unsubscribe it comes up with some error message and the emails keep coming.
  stopblock Junior Train Controller

Location: Planet Earth
The "Do Not call" register is independent of carriers, so the carrier you are with is not the issue.
Charities are exempt from this register.
Most of the imported, pre-recorded ones are profit based
The exempt charities ones are usually Australian based call centres.

The irony of this is that this exemption is also available to 'not for profit' organisations and your local railway preservation group, should they be so inclined, may decide to go down this path of enlisting such a call centre to raise funds for them and pay the call centre the negotiated commission.

What would you say to them then????
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I have had our home phone, my mobile and my wife's mobile listed for some time. It has definitely cut down the volume of nuisance calls. Still get a few "overseas" callers, but they don't obey the laws anyway...
  Johnmc Moderator

Location: Cloncurry, Queensland
Certain things are exempt from the register.  I know charites are one, not sure if there are others.  There's been a few occasions where I've wondered if putting your name on DNC register might open you up to getting more calls from the "exempt" organisations?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
And of course political parties are exempt.   They wouldn't want to upset their little plans!
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Yes, your local pollie is permitted to ring you up and harass you too, although most pollies don't ring anyone, mercifully. And anyone who has done business with you in the past can also ring, as they are then said to have developed a 'business relationship' with you.

The calls from overseas bypass the whole system, in particular the ones from India. They simply sequentially ring a bracket of numbers and if it answers, there is a delay during which the call is then handed to an operator. Fortunately, that delay is the best indicator for you to hang up.

But to answer the original question, it is a toothless piece of legislation that only barely works, but it is better to be on it than not.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The Institute of Engineers is another one which when you go to unsubscribe it comes up with some error message and the emails keep coming.
"YM-Mundrabilla"
Yes, I used to be a member of that same Institute, when I decided I no longer wanted to be a part of their expensive organisation I stopped renewing. I was actually called and received letters saying that I 'could not simply abandon the Institute by not paying fees' and that I must write to them to tell them. For two years they sent me invoices which went unpaid until eventually they got the message and have left me alone.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Yes, I used to be a member of that same Institute, when I decided I no longer wanted to be a part of their expensive organisation I stopped renewing. I was actually called and received letters saying that I 'could not simply abandon the Institute by not paying fees' and that I must write to them to tell them. For two years they sent me invoices which went unpaid until eventually they got the message and have left me alone.
Aaron
A little off topic, but it is quite standard with many organisations that you are considered (legally?) a member until you formally resign, albeit a non-financial member. Trade Unions and Churches are other examples.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Yeah, but they soon bugger of when you dry up the money source. Calling your bank and cancelling the direct debit authority fixes them.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I did the same to a union years back as after I quit my job they kept sending me bills for my membership fee's, I just binned them and as Aaron said a couple of years later they sent no more. Personally if you do not renew the fees at a place then you are no longer a member of it, you should not have to waste your time and effort resigning in writing. I was even threatened with legal action if I did not pay up as well, that would be seen as making threats against a person or even extortion to a certain extent! When they finally got in touch with me by phone, I just told them where to stick their union, where the sun don't shine.

This union was all about the bosses of the union who drove around in nice shiny brand new cars and bugga the workers. Turned me off, of unions for good that did.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yeah, but they soon bugger of when you dry up the money source. Calling your bank and cancelling the direct debit authority fixes them.
TheBlacksmith
Fortunately I had no direct debit set up, but that didn't stop them sending me invoices!
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Personally if you do not renew the fees at a place then you are no longer a member of it, you should not have to waste your time and effort resigning in writing.
David Peters
You join such an organisation by signing up in writing (usually), you resign by doing so in writing (death will be an out too!). Non-payment of dues does not cause membership to lapse, but will most likely mean you have no say, voting rights etc. Each of such organisations must have a constitution (or similar) by law. Read it, it is a document that is legally binding on members.
  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

Being on the Do Not Call Register resulted in a big reduction of unsolicited calls to my number.
  RuthSimmons Beginner

Location: Springdale, Arkansas
Almost everybody gets calls like that, regardless of the service provider. These telemarketers have amazing ways to get people's phone number and they never stop calling. It's plain harassment.
  RuthSimmons Beginner

Location: Springdale, Arkansas
It's why whenever I get an unsolicited call, I report the phone number to Callercenter.com right away for people to be aware. By posting the number, others can block the number ahead. With about 100 000 visitors in the website daily, that makes a probability of 100 000 less people for them to call.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
It's why whenever I get an unsolicited call, I report the phone number to Callercenter.com right away for people to be aware. By posting the number, others can block the number ahead. With about 100 000 visitors in the website daily, that makes a probability of 100 000 less people for them to call.
RuthSimmons
I don't think that site would be of much use to us here in Australia...
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
It's why whenever I get an unsolicited call, I report the phone number to Callercenter.com right away for people to be aware. By posting the number, others can block the number ahead. With about 100 000 visitors in the website daily, that makes a probability of 100 000 less people for them to call.
RuthSimmons
Calls to Australia from India via IP do not reveal any number to report, if in fact we had any way to do that.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Calls to Australia from India via IP do not reveal any number to report, if in fact we had any way to do that.
TheBlacksmith
Or the number they return is a fake.

I so wish I could prank these indian morons, problem is when I get one I can actually understand I'm in the middle of cooking, in a really bad mood, or just busy, and the reverse is true when I'm free to do this stuff, the hindu on the other end has clearly learnt english from reading boxes of cereal. Anyway they haven't called in ages, due to me using the long pause = hang up phone or the hello hello? hello?!? method of answering their calls (cause their phone sucks and they can't hear me).

Australian telemarkers are easy to prank, I've pranked some in ways they never even saw coming.

Anyway the Do Not Call Register does work, just remember it does expire, so you need to renew it if the telemarketers return. Alternatively think of 10 million reasons you don't need certain home improvements.
  M636C Minister for Railways


I so wish I could prank these indian morons
fabricator
They called me for the third time in a week from the "Technical Bureau of the Windows Operating System...".

I decided that saying "I don't have any problems , Thank you" and hanging up didn't seem to help.

So I asked "What is the weather like in Palo Alto?" (since that was my recollection of Microsoft's location).

He ignored me at first but I kept asking. He then got angry and unintelligible so I said I could no longer understand him at which stage HE hung up.

Next time, I'm going to say I only use Apple,  can he help with the latest OS X...

(I'm on the "do not call register" and it is generally useful - I occasionally tell the Indian callers that they are breaking the law by calling me... If you keep saying that it spoils their pitch...)

M636C
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
'I am calling you to tell you that I can make your home landline phone calls cheaper for you Aaron'.

'I doubt you can do that'

'Oh yes I can, blah, blah, blah'

'I don't have a landline you twit, you're talking to me on my mobile...'
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
For some time I used to reply to them by saying in a shocking imitation of an Indian accent 'Is that you Sadi? Come on, this is really Sadi playing joke on me! Put mother on, I want to talk to her."

But I got bored with it.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
They called me for the third time in a week from the "Technical Bureau of the Windows Operating System...".

I decided that saying "I don't have any problems , Thank you" and hanging up didn't seem to help.

So I asked "What is the weather like in Palo Alto?" (since that was my recollection of Microsoft's location).

He ignored me at first but I kept asking. He then got angry and unintelligible so I said I could no longer understand him at which stage HE hung up.

Next time, I'm going to say I only use Apple,  can he help with the latest OS X...

(I'm on the "do not call register" and it is generally useful - I occasionally tell the Indian callers that they are breaking the law by calling me... If you keep saying that it spoils their pitch...)

M636C
M636C
I tell these people (truthfully) that I am an IT professional. They usually hang up. One insisted on questioning me to try to catch me out, no doubt thinking I was lying. When he couldn't do that he asked me what I was going to do, so I said "I'm going to hang up the phone and make a cup of tea". That's exactly what I did...

I do sometimes wonder why I even bother to be even the slightest bit polite to such people, should just hang up...
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
A good trick I got told is to just put the phone down for a hour or more and go and do some modelling or do the garden, this means that the line stays open and they cannot hang up on the other end even if they do hang up it will only open the line back to you when they again lift up the receiver or open the line again. A mate did this for over 12 hours one day, so someone the other end got a huge bill for nothing. This was a little used landline he had though he used his mobile for most of his calls.

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