Should sledging be part of sport?

 
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
This evening I saw two Australian cricketers on television sprouting the view that there is nothing wrong with a bit of 'banter' and signalling that they will be keeping it up.

Personally, I don't like it and I don't think it should be tolerated in any sport. And one of my reasons is because, when you call it by its correct name, bullying, it is something we are trying to stamp out in the playground and workplace. Yet here are our top level sportspeople saying there is nothing wrong with it.

What sort of message are we sending to the bullies in the playground and the workplace when we say what they are doing is wrong, but not if they happen to be a famous sportsperson?

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
This evening I saw two Australian cricketers on television sprouting the view that there is nothing wrong with a bit of 'banter' and signalling that they will be keeping it up.

Personally, I don't like it and I don't think it should be tolerated in any sport. And one of my reasons is because, when you call it by its correct name, bullying, it is something we are trying to stamp out in the playground and workplace. Yet here are our top level sportspeople saying there is nothing wrong with it.

What sort of message are we sending to the bullies in the playground and the workplace when we say what they are doing is wrong, but not if they happen to be a famous sportsperson?
TheBlacksmith
So I am not the only one who has thoughts like yours Smile
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Agreeing with TheBlacksmith is becoming a habit, but I am again 100 percent on his side. To me, threats, insults and the like are saying, "We're not good enough to get you out with cricketing skills, so we're trying to do it another way."  It's a sport; it should be played in a sportsmanlike manner. Sledging is a form of bullying and the cricket field is a workplace for these guys. It should be treated like bullying in any other work environment. Unfortunately, players nowadays reckon that the tough, macho image is everything. I disagree.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
It depends,

If its racist, then its not sledging. Thats really just being a weak ....! If its you saying something about someones mum or nan, or family member thats died, then again - its just you being a weak ....! Thats bullying.

However, if its a motivational comment bagging the f out of someones sporting ability IMHO thats different. Cos they (if they've truely got any sporting ability) can take your thoughts on board, and belt you six rows back into the stands, and then have bragging rights over your bowling. This is not bullying.
Besides, in team sports such p1sstaking can have an opposite to the desired effect when it works as a motivator to the person/team being sprayed. There's no better feeling sticking it up em, and letting them know it when just desserts are served.

If you want to sledge or niggle, roll the dice. Just dont sook when your number doesn't come up.
Its just not sport (team sport anyway).

There should be some respectable boundaries. Unfortunately there'll always be some flog who ruins it for everyone else by going too far.

BUT, its Cricket NOT Chess.

Regards

ps - was it a Pom that whinged about this?? If so, hence the name!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
However, if its a motivational comment bagging the f out of someones sporting ability IMHO thats different.
"davesvline"
And what about threatening to break somebody's effing arm? . . . as Clarke did.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
And what about threatening to break somebody's effing arm? . . . as Clarke did.
Valvegear
Only after the biggest mouth on the English side said that he was going to belt Bailey who was standing at short square leg.   If I was Clarke, I would have said said something similar.   Remember it wasn't Clarke that started it - the whinging pom started it, he deserved everything he got, including the chin music!
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Personally I don't give a rats who started it, both of them were wrong. How on earth can you teach young kids that bullying in the playground is wrong when our famous cricketers do exactly that? It is a ridiculous double standard.

Call it trash talk, chin music whatever - it is bullying, plain and simple. And it has nothing to do with sport.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Channel Nine are partly responsible for all this too.   The stump mike should have been turned off between deliveries, but for some reason was on.   The little kiddies would not have heard what was said and the matter would not have been splashed all over the news for the past week.   It would have been reported as an incident, but that was all that would have been said about it.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The Pom was wrong for threatening to hit some one, all Clarke did was defend his player who was threatened what did you want him to say. The pom obviously had a violent streak by threatening the aussie player in the first place, so Clarke simply gave him some of his own back in his face and the media went bananas, big deal. It is all a storm in a tea cup and is part of this sport.

On the case of bullying the only thing that settles a bully permanently is when some one takes him out with a punch or something. you can stand there all day telling him he is wrong, he is not going to listen to you though. I was bullied badly at school till one I had had enough and challenge the bully to a controlled boxing match with our PE teacher as referee. I was there in the ring with gloves on ready and so was our PE teacher, the bully however never appeared, but just sent one of his mates to say he would not fight me. I won by default and the bully got laughed at a lot after that.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I am not a fan of 'sledging' but the POMs having introduced and perfected 'body line' have a bit of a hide having a whinge about someone aiming a few choice words at them on the field...
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
For mine, it's what I was raised to recognize as bad sportsmanship, and there's no excuse for it. Referring to it as sledging is merely a poor effort at whitewashing it with an euphemism. I also concur with the consensus here that it borders on bullying.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Channel Nine are partly responsible for all this too.   The stump mike should have been turned off between deliveries, but for some reason was on.   The little kiddies would not have heard what was said and the matter would not have been splashed all over the news for the past week.   It would have been reported as an incident, but that was all that would have been said about it.
Donald
So , sledging is verbally  abusing the other side at the pitch  to get them to err. Assume this sort of thing goes on where players are close to each other, cricket, footty, AFL Rugby , basket ball etc. Seems it is more topical for Cricket.

I think the microphone should be on, live and on all players.  That will stop this stuff dead on !

Regards,
David Head
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
I think Clarke is a twat. I also think people should have a cup of concrete and harden the f**k up.

On the topic of bullying, I was bullied as a kid at school and I have to say school was the worst years of my life. But you know what; what doesn't kill you can only make you stronger. At work there is a lot of "sledging" between drivers and there's a fine line we all toe between a joke and genuinely hurtful remarks. But at the end of the day, cricket is cricket, and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, but I do not want to see cricket go down the path of political correctness.

Soft behaviour has already ruined AFL for me, but can we at least keep test cricket alive?
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
My son's U/16 cricket team sledge all the time although I must admit most of it is directed at each other! Funniest stuff I've heard in along time. At least they know where to draw the line and it makes the matches really entertaining to watch. Most of the kids on all the teams know each other from schools and are Facebook friends with each other.
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
I believe that, sledging has a large place in cricket and many other team sports. However, the line is crossed when threats are made, and that line was crossed by more than one player in this instance.

Sledging is vastly different from bullying, in that, most of the time, anything said on the field is left there at stumps. Bullying however, is ongoing, targeted verbal or physical attacks, that don't happen in an exclusive time or place (in most instances).
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Bullying is when the abuse (of whatever type) is in one direction only.   When the receiver of abuse gives back as good as he gets then it becomes sledging.

eg.  McGrath to English batsman "Gee, you're fat."
English batsman 'That's because your wife gives me a biscuit everytime I ****her."

Mark Waugh - "Are you good enough to bat for England?"
English batsman - "At least I'm the best player in my family."
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Merv Hughes 'If you can't swing the bat and hit the ball at least hold the bat still so I can hit it with the ball'. I also believe it was Merv who after being tonked for a six walked down the pitch, turned his a$$ to the batsman, cut one loose and said 'let's see you hit that for six you bastard'
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
And what about threatening to break somebody's effing arm? . . . as Clarke did.
Valvegear

A reference to sporting ability doesn't refer to breaking someones arm. Only what the arm can or cant do with regard to the sport concerned. Tampering (or threatening to) with ability isnt motivational. Name the last time you ever saw pysical violence on the cricket ground..........

Tissue for the issue

But somehow you knew this.
Personal interpretation of that is of course yours to do with as you wish.

Break his arm Boo hoo. Cop the suspension for that hollow threat, if you ever want to see it through thats for sure.

Personal experience shows those who sook about sledging (cricket) cant stand long periods in the sun as required as part of the game, and typically have the sporting abilty to match that. A mind game cricket can be. Sticks and stones. Or as it now is, diddums.

Regards
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Bullying is when the abuse (of whatever type) is in one direction only.   When the receiver of abuse gives back as good as he gets then it becomes sledging.

eg.  McGrath to English batsman "Gee, you're fat."
English batsman 'That's because your wife gives me a biscuit everytime I ****her."

Mark Waugh - "Are you good enough to bat for England?"
English batsman - "At least I'm the best player in my family."
Donald

These would have to be two of the best examples you could ever find for what I've meant by rolling the dice in my comment when it comes to sledging 8)

Put youself in the originators place after the recipient of your barb has returned fire......

Gold on any day of the week, and 20 times on a cricket day.

Regards
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
There are various publications about clever sledges, and some of them are brilliant. I have no problem with that type of remark and comeback.  My beef is the threat of physical injury which, as I mentioned earlier, Clarke made to Anderson. In earlier days, a very young Alan Davidson bounced a tailender and taken to task by Ray Lindwall who said, "You've just told him that you're not good enough to bowl him out." Many have said that Anderson sledges, and "he started it."  So what? Is it necessary to copy everybody's bad habits? Are you going to go out and hoon in your car just because a neighbour does it, and then tell the cops, "he started it"?
Clever remarks; OK. Threats of, and actual attempts at, physical injury have no place in what is a game. I'd also be interested in the Brisbane umpires' definition of "intimidatory bowling."
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
taken to task by Ray Lindwall who said, "You've just told him that you're not good enough to bowl him out."
Valvegear

That is really what it tells us about these people. Please replace them with sporting types who have the sporting ability to win without insults.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Sledging will always be a part of Aussie sport, And the reason for this is, because it goes on too much at the "Grass roots level" I.E Mum and Dad sledging the other team's that their kids are playing against on the Weekends, and then this is replicated by said kids , This plays a massive role in the whole sledging saga, Is it right? No of course it isn't , but this is why it will always be a part of sport world wide- IMO

Kind Regards
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Sledging will always be a part of Aussie sport, And the reason for this is, because it goes on too much at the "Grass roots level" I.E Mum and Dad sledging the other team's that their kids are playing against on the Weekends, and then this is replicated by said kids , This plays a massive role in the whole sledging saga, Is it right? No of course it isn't , but this is why it will always be a part of sport world wide- IMO

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
Cancer will always be a part of life, some one is always going to suffer from it. Is it fair? No, of course it is not, but it will always be around. So, based on your thinking, we should just accept it and get on with life?

As for 'Mum and Dad sledging the other team's that their kids are playing against', do you figure that is acceptable behaviour? You might consider that those governing the sports are mostly committed to eradicating bad behaviour of that sort on the part of the parents, so they do not seem to think it is OK.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
And as I have stated already, Of course it is not right, but you will have a hard time trying to convince some people that it isn't right, Some people in this world you cannot educate, The ones that it gets through to however, well that's great, Don't get me wrong BLACKSMITH, I don't like Sledging either, I think it is a blight on sport, all I am saying is , is that it is going to be very hard to eradicate

Kind Regards
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
Sledging in cricket happens all the time. As long as it doesn't cross the line into unfair abuse, such as racist comments then I don't mind, nor do most players. Sledging will never be stopped, asking every player to keep every comment 100% related to cricket is not possible, you can only have policies to ensure players that go too far get fined. Everyone knows Clarke's comment was not serious, its not like he demanded Johnson to break Anderson's arm.

The best cricket players can deal with the verbal sprays anyway, the soft ones can't. Some have been known to give it back, like Lillee, Warne etc while others know how to block it out, such as Tendulkar, Hussey etc. If we want sledging to be stopped, then shouldn't we fine every person that honks their horn at another car and fine every person that swears?

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