Hitachi spotting

 
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

Because no-one wants them in the summer.
Heihachi_73

I can understand that then I guess. but wouldn't it be a good idea to keep atleast 1 considering most comengs during summer have airconditioning faults?

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  TheMetman Locomotive Driver

Location: gippsland
I can understand that then I guess. but wouldn't it be a good idea to keep atleast 1 considering most comengs during summer have airconditioning faults?
hitachi69
The Comengs had their air-conditioning units upgraded a little while back.
  chapzboy Station Master

Just to be clear, Hitachi's may be still seen in revenue service until the Summer timetable starts? When does said timetable commence?
  Henry Herby

Location: Victoria
hitachi69: The Hitachi trains are 41 years old now. Very hard to find spare parts, so hard to maintain and costly. They get heavily vandalized, no cameras, no aircon and are probably the worst trains Metro own. The only thing they are good for now are rail fans. Plus how do I know this? I have my ways...

chapzboy: December 2nd is when the new Summer timetable should start. At the moment only the Epping 6 car set is in service for emergency use only, until December 20th.
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

thing which confuses me is that why didn't get keep set 279m or even 288m to be the last set in service? I mean come on they were in much better condition then 299m 294m. but nevermind, lets hope that 299m 294m gets given a few last good runs. also will there be an announcement of there retirement next month?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
hitachi69: The Hitachi trains are 41 years old now. Very hard to find spare parts, so hard to maintain and costly. They get heavily vandalized, no cameras, no aircon and are probably the worst trains Metro own. The only thing they are good for now are rail fans. Plus how do I know this? I have my ways...

chapzboy: December 2nd is when the new Summer timetable should start. At the moment only the Epping 6 car set is in service for emergency use only, until December 20th.
Henry
I'm not sure whether to believe you or this tweet:

  mattylovestrains Train Controller

Will any Hitachis be kept for preservation, because I can't live in a world without Hitachis.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm not sure whether to believe you or this tweet
railblogger
You could always just wait and see. Going from personal observations on visits to Melbourne, and knowing that Henry normally knows what he's talking about (and, for that matter, has nothing to gain from making false statements on the subject, it's not like he's going to "keep" all of the Hitachis for his own photographic benefit), I completely believe it. Heck, I'm from Sydney, and if I can see what's happening from up here, it should be obvious to those in suburban Melbourne I would have thought.

EDIT: Furthermore, what companies tell people and what they're actually planning can be two different things. Given the Hitachis have come back from the dead at least once, Metro doesn't want the publicity of saying "they'll be gone for sure on this date", then having circumstances change, bring one back, and then it's a photo on the front page of the whatever paper doesn't like the current government.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Will any Hitachis be kept for preservation, because I can't live in a world without Hitachis.
mattylovestrains
I'm pretty sure one is owned by Elecrail. Presumably this set will be returned to them once Metro are finished with it.
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

Railblogger nice that you asked metro about the hitachis. I wanted to say however that elecrails hitachi 295m hasnt been used for 2 years now. Id love to find out why it hasnt been used for such a long time. Why doesnt metro just give it back seeing that it will most likely never return to service? Ask metro about it and see if they respond.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Railblogger nice that you asked metro about the hitachis. I wanted to say however that elecrails hitachi 295m hasnt been used for 2 years now. Id love to find out why it hasnt been used for such a long time. Why doesnt metro just give it back seeing that it will most likely never return to service? Ask metro about it and see if they respond.
hitachi69
I didn't ask Metro - that was the Rail Victoria team. I don't have Twitter - I just read their feed.
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

hitachi 299m 294m has been stabled at the former epping station site since Monday.
  sydnytrains Chief Commissioner

Location: McDonalds Front counter serving customers
Railblogger nice that you asked metro about the hitachis. I wanted to say however that elecrails hitachi 295m hasnt been used for 2 years now. Id love to find out why it hasnt been used for such a long time. Why doesnt metro just give it back seeing that it will most likely never return to service? Ask metro about it and see if they respond.
"hitachi69"


I would be inclined to believe that they are spares, just in case something really bad occurs, similar to our S sets up north in Sydney. We have them stored out of service, but can be re-activated at anytime ... or .... it could be out of service due to a major fault in the train that deems it unserviceable due to lack of spare parts. ?

For those who care, the full set consists of:

295M-1994T-296M-281M-1946T-282M. (295M = 7M, 296M = 225M, 281M = 89M, 282M = 99M)

I believe that consist has been like that since 2006, when the full set was re-activated into service after a shortage of trains on the system.
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

hey guys I just heard about the major rail project this summer and how lines will have services reduced in this article. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-train-services-reduced-over-summer-in-major-works-upgrade-20131202-2ykxu.html
Andrew Lezala comments saying "He hoped not to use the Hitachi trains over summer.
"They are not ideal are they in the heat. They are only 50 years old," Mr Lezala said
  mattylovestrains Train Controller

hey guys I just heard about the major rail project this summer and how lines will have services reduced in this article. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-train-services-reduced-over-summer-in-major-works-upgrade-20131202-2ykxu.html
Andrew Lezala comments saying "He hoped not to use the Hitachi trains over summer.
"They are not ideal are they in the heat. They are only 50 years old," Mr Lezala said
"hitachi69"

Does that mean they're not being permanently withdrawn, as the way he said "over summer" implies they may come back next year?

By the way a passenger does not choose whether the train's AC is on, but the passenger does choose whether the Hitachi window is open or closed.
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

Does that mean they're not being permanently withdrawn, as the way he said "over summer" implies they may come back next year?

By the way a passenger does not choose whether the train's AC is on, but the passenger does choose whether the Hitachi window is open or closed.
mattylovestrains
it sounds like there not being permanently withdrawn yet I hope. the way he mentions the hitachis sound promosing. the new timetable will most likely rule out them running until the timetable changes again mid January because if they halve the amount of trains running there will be much more backups which would make the hitachi a backup of the backups if you get what I mean. so for a hitachi well the one left in service which has been stabled at epping for 2 weeks 299m 294m (go check it out) to run It would take a big error in the system for it to run. we don't know at this stage what will happen, maybe 1 may be used again or 2 or 3 maybe 5 run as a backup or it will be retired, we just don't know this stage, I wish I could ask the person in charge of them running to know. i'll make sure to keep in touch and also make sure you read this forum because ive been the only person spotting hitachis in the past couple months theres been others but mainly me for some reason. such a shame 288m was withdrawn because it was in better condition than 299m in my opinion.

please tell others if you can such as hmt or thebusofdoo, that the hitachi at epping if it RUNS on a weekday which is very rare literally unpredictable it will most likely run on the south morang line and arrive flinders street at around 8:45am and depart 8:47am because it runs the 8:11am up flinders departing reservoir which ive caught many times. it goes through the loop back and becomes an epping train which arrives around 9:32 and stables. a friend of mine told me he this after he caught it to go for a last ride a while back(I warned him about them being withdrawn). so like I said this hitachi it could run tomorrow or Wednesday Thursday or not even this week. it hasn't ran for a week and half. so if you got time then go to flinderstreet and wait but I wouldn't waste my time with such a high chance of not getting it. plus the temperatures would play a significant part at the moment considering the heat in Melbourne. if only there was a way to know when it runs but sadly there isn't. between now and the new timetable it will most likely run once, it's all about the timing
  GvhftrKijl Locomotive Driver

Location: ERD
maybe 1 may be used again or 2 or 3 maybe 5 run as a backup
hitachi69
Considering that three of them are in sidings booked out of service at Macaulay and two others are not under wire at Newport, five might be stretching it just a little bit.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Are new drivers still being trained on them?
  aussie48 Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
One lives in hope that the Old Silver Rattlers will be finally put down and laid to rest.   Face facts they have been on the rails for nearly 50 years, have done a sterling job but they are well past their use by date.    Save 1 or save them all for rail fans but get them out of revenue service, we the paying public deserve better.
  mattylovestrains Train Controller

One lives in hope that the Old Silver Rattlers will be finally put down and laid to rest.   Face facts they have been on the rails for nearly 50 years, have done a sterling job but they are well past their use by date.    Save 1 or save them all for rail fans but get them out of revenue service, we the paying public deserve better.
"aussie48"

You need to consider the number of people here who like Hitachis. I, who is also part of the paying public, deserve better than for the Hitachis to be withdrawn.


Did you know I recently caught a 74 year old tram, and it ran absolutely fine, with no faults. And it was not a City Circle tram.
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

glad to post hitachi 299m 294m ran the 8:11am up flinders reservoir today
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

Hitachi 294m arriving into Parliament station, running the 8:55am down to Epping

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  Metroemployee Beginner

Hi hitachi enthusiasts... Just to give you a bit of info as to why they seldom make an appearance.
It all comes down to high maintenance costs. I don't know the $ figure but the sad reality is that they're bloody expensive to run. Hence they only get used as a last resort. If there's s extrap / Siemens/comeng available, they will always be put into service before a hitachi is considered.
  mattylovestrains Train Controller

Hi hitachi enthusiasts... Just to give you a bit of info as to why they seldom make an appearance.
It all comes down to high maintenance costs. I don't know the $ figure but the sad reality is that they're bloody expensive to run. Hence they only get used as a last resort. If there's s extrap / Siemens/comeng available, they will always be put into service before a hitachi is considered.
"Metroemployee"

Siemens trains don't run on the South Morang line.
  hitachi69 Locomotive Driver

Hi hitachi enthusiasts... Just to give you a bit of info as to why they seldom make an appearance.
It all comes down to high maintenance costs. I don't know the $ figure but the sad reality is that they're bloody expensive to run. Hence they only get used as a last resort. If there's s extrap / Siemens/comeng available, they will always be put into service before a hitachi is considered.
Metroemployee
I guess that explains why the other sets are in storage around the network and only 1 is kept as a backup. if you think about it 299m 294m is probably in the best condition out of the rest, so in order to keep hitachis running (extra trains), they stored the others probably because they don't need them for the time being or they need lots of maintenance to get back into service. focusing maintenance on one set would ensure that it is kept in good condition and that costs remain low. I mean im no expert but that's my opinion.

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