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  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
What is wrong with the floor

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  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
What is wrong with the floor
Tonsley213


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Ka6rP_fQw&t=46
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

I have heard that the floor problem is not yet fixed so after about 5 or 6 sets are delivered there will be yet another hiatus while the problem is addressed. those units already delivered will be repaired in Adelaide (Seaford or Dry Creek ?)
steam4ian
This work is being completed at Dry Creek Depot. 4002 is currently being reworked, then I believe 4003 will take its place. 4001 will continue to operate for testing/commissioning for a while longer.

There was a 6-car empty stock run (I assume from DC) yesterday, arriving at Adelaide around 1645-50, formed of 2 3000s and 2 pairs of 3100s. I assumed it was routine, strengthening cars for the evening peak, but maybe it was something more interesting.
AllTheGoodNamesAreBlocked

Yep. Not in service runs to/from Dry Creek regularly have 6 cars attached, anything from early morning to extremely late at night can and do make movement of 6 cars.

Since you quoted my point about 5 cars in service, as you just said, 6 cars to/from Dry Creek is not a consist in service. Someone said that they saw 5 cars IN SERVICE on a particular Gawler Central run. They could not have, as this does not occur and has not occurred since I mentioned.
  wisp Station Staff

Location: Adelaide
Electric railcar 4004B was delivered to Seaford Railcar Depot this morning (8/12/2013).
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
What is wrong with the floor
"Tonsley213"


Good question, can anyone "in the know" answer this? Jumbo2001 or Ian?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
In a nutshell, DPTI say the floors are not of sufficient standard to last their required '30 years'. Meanwhile, Bombardier basically maintain (I believe correctly) that the cars will probably undergo an interior refit half to two thirds through their planned life anyway. The main dispute currently revolves around who pays for the 'variation' and associated delay.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Electric railcar 4004B was delivered to Seaford Railcar Depot this morning (8/12/2013).
wisp
Next thing you know they'll be halfway through the order... the pace does seem to have picked up a bit.

In a nutshell, DPTI say the floors are not of sufficient standard to last their required '30 years'.
Aaron
Sounds a bit picky but I suppose the amount of money they spent entitles them to complain if they think something is not up to standard.  I'd be interested to know if they have any data to support their claim or if they just don't like the look of them?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I was told the problem with the floors lay in the securing of the panels, they moved.

There was also a change of management at Bombardier with some subsequent disagreements over quality.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I was told the problem with the floors lay in the securing of the panels, they moved.

There was also a change of management at Bombardier with some subsequent disagreements over quality.
steam4ian
They moved?  That does seem like a substantial quality issue.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
They moved?  That does seem like a substantial quality issue.
"don_dunstan"
So you'd be happy if you paid to have some carpet installed and everytime you walked across it the carpet moved with you? Or you'd be happy if your floating floor boards floated too much? We're paying for this job, and we're entitled to expect reasonably close to perfection.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
More appropriate rolling stock for north of Gawler would be a minibus with hi-rail wheels.
"justapassenger"
If you don't have to use the rail alignment, why use it at all? Lose the hi-rail wheels and you'd about have it I reckon.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
So you'd be happy if you paid to have some carpet installed and everytime you walked across it the carpet moved with you? Or you'd be happy if your floating floor boards floated too much? We're paying for this job, and we're entitled to expect reasonably close to perfection.
Aaron
I wasn't being sarcastic, I was agreeing with Ian that it isn't good enough for a brand new train.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I wasn't being sarcastic, I was agreeing with Ian that it isn't good enough for a brand new train.
"don_dunstan"
Sorry! That's what happens when you post having been awake for 40+ hours straight... I read 'does' as 'doesn't' - my bad.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Aaron, you really shouldn't be subjecting yourself to that sort of sleep deprivation, not for work, not for anyone.  It has all sorts of really bad health impacts.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Aaron, you really shouldn't be subjecting yourself to that sort of sleep deprivation, not for work, not for anyone.  It has all sorts of really bad health impacts.
"don_dunstan"
Well it has impacts on reading ability. Even when I read your response I looked back at my quote and read "doesn't", it was on the second rereading that I finally noticed the lack of "n't".

In general I have to say that 8 hours sleep in 48 is the norm for me, much to the GF's disgust, she gets 10 hours per day, but I need that additional 12 hours to actually get things done!
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Aaron, that's really bad for your health - there's all sorts of research on the negative affects of sleep deprivation, particularly when you miss out on REM sleep. You should have a discussion with your GP about those sleep patterns, I bet he/she wouldn't be impressed.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Aaron, that's really bad for your health - there's all sorts of research on the negative affects of sleep deprivation, particularly when you miss out on REM sleep. You should have a discussion with your GP about those sleep patterns, I bet he/she wouldn't be impressed.
"don_dunstan"
Wow, it's like the GF has an account here! That's what she'd say. I have not been 'sick' with anything more and a slight snivel in 15 years. I think my last 'sick day' was 17 years ago when I broke my finger...
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Maybe you should listen to her.

Michael Jackson was being so heavily sedated by Dr Conrad Murray that the lack of REM sleep was identified as a contributor to his death; 8 or so hours of proper resting sleep every night is the healthiest thing for all of us.

Anyway back on topic, has 4004 been completed yet?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Don

In that it hasn't been reported on these pages I would say you know the short answer.

Ian
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Maybe you should listen to her.

Michael Jackson was being so heavily sedated by Dr Conrad Murray that the lack of REM sleep was identified as a contributor to his death; 8 or so hours of proper resting sleep every night is the healthiest thing for all of us.

Anyway back on topic, has 4004 been completed yet?
don_dunstan

No. 4004 only has 4004B and 4004T. 4001 and 4003 are at Seaford and 4002 is at Dry Creek currently.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Whereas earlier this week 2 cars of 4004 were sitting outside the depot shed, today they were not visible, but 4001 was stabled outside the shed.  This could be an indication the 3rd car has been delivered.

There hasn't been any evidence of test running this week.  I'm surprised 4003 hasn't been out.  Stop boards have been established c. 100m S of Goldsmith Drive.

Alex C
  dvdplaza Chief Train Controller

I passed the remaining car of 4004 (A) arriving this morning...

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  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Whereas earlier this week 2 cars of 4004 were sitting outside the depot shed, today they were not visible, but 4001 was stabled outside the shed.  This could be an indication the 3rd car has been delivered.

There hasn't been any evidence of test running this week.  I'm surprised 4003 hasn't been out.  Stop boards have been established c. 100m S of Goldsmith Drive.

Alex C
62430

Should have said, 4004 is in the shed. Also 4003 has been out for a few runs this week, the stop boards established as part of the demarcation for the Alterted Safe Working Rules that apply from the Noarlunga Yard Limit (ie that location) to Seaford. Requires an order to enter the section, however the you can leave the section on signal indication at the Yard Limit.

4002 is getting close to returning to Seaford, 4001 will head to Dry Creek in its place for rectification work.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Should have said, 4004 is in the shed. Also 4003 has been out for a few runs this week, the stop boards established as part of the demarcation for the Alterted Safe Working Rules that apply from the Noarlunga Yard Limit (ie that location) to Seaford. Requires an order to enter the section, however the you can leave the section on signal indication at the Yard Limit.

4002 is getting close to returning to Seaford, 4001 will head to Dry Creek in its place for rectification work.
Jumbo2001
Thanks for the update and explanation.

Alex C
  Clifford2014 Beginner

Location: New South Wales
Good afternoon,
Going by previous post's there looks like there are nearly 4 sets that have arrived in Seaford.
Will DPTi be using any of these for trail passenger runs in the near future?
Just interested to know when these units will go into full service as well.
Cheers.

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