Auscision Models Blog

 
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Since my "Eureka" experience I've always shied away from the fully paid early bird payments. But a $45 discount on a $295 model (15% discount) with a company that does deliver in a reasonable timeframe (422 aside) has me printing out the order form. And yes I know this discount has been available on most of their recent announcements - its nothing new. Now, echoing some comments above, if only Auscision would produce the 442 would really make my Christmas.

While on the Order Page I noticed the XPTs still have not had their prices "updated" which was supposed to happen from the end of October.

Tony

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  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Since my "Eureka" experience I've always shied away from the fully paid early bird payments. But a $45 discount on a $295 model (15% discount) with a company that does deliver in a reasonable timeframe (422 aside) has me printing out the order form.
Tony
brissim
Ah well.  Has to be a first.  My first order to Auscision 4501 + 4512 in 1960s condition.
First time they have offered something that suits an old fart like me.  When they bring on the MLVs I will get a couple a couple of those.  Can't have too many MLVs.

Taking a risk, but see how we go.  Sometime in 2014 would be several years faster than other suppliers I have bought from.

Best regards,
John
  LiverpoolRange Locomotive Fireman

Location: Port Macquarie NSW
Does anyone know what is meant when they refer to 4531 as having the "duck egg logo"?
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Does anyone know what is meant when they refer to 4531 as having the "duck egg logo"?
LiverpoolRange
It's the oval shaped coat of arms on the short-end hood, I believe.
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC
I see preserved 4520 has now dropped off the list of offerings...
  brissim Chief Train Controller

It's the oval shaped coat of arms on the short-end hood, I believe.
Roachie
I thought the coat of arms was applied to the short-end hood on all the 45s as delivered and would have remained there until progressively painted into candy colours during the 1980s. If so what makes 4531 different?

Tony
  a6et Minister for Railways

I thought the coat of arms was applied to the short-end hood on all the 45s as delivered and would have remained there until progressively painted into candy colours during the 1980s. If so what makes 4531 different?

Tony
brissim
They all had the metal state coat of arms on the front nose when delivered, I do not know about 31 but maybe the duck egg, as Auscision terms it, was an oval label from the PTC era, or perhaps its the large white background coat of arms seen on some 44cl.

Its certainly a term I have never heard of before.
  Thumpa Chief Train Controller

Location: That's on a need to know basis.
Coat of arms logo was larger than normal. Page 87 of  Diesel Profiles "Alco DL541" shows 4531 with the larger than normal CoA.
  ajbrown Junior Train Controller

They all had the metal state coat of arms on the front nose when delivered, I do not know about 31 but maybe the duck egg, as Auscision terms it, was an oval label from the PTC era, or perhaps its the large white background coat of arms seen on some 44cl.

Its certainly a term I have never heard of before.
a6et
Like Col it's had me confused, too.

However, in browsing through the ever-handy Train Hobby book on the 45 class is a picture of 4531 with the Coat-of-Arms' decal located where the metal one was, on the short nose. Page 3 is your identifier.

Below the picture is the caption quoting, "Freshly painted 4531 and a 41 class at Delec. Around the time of this repaint a number of 45 class had their stainless steel coat-of-arms' plaques replaced with large decals. Other units so fitted were 4508 and 4529".

I haven't included the photo, simply because I don't know how to here on Railpage. And Col is right in saying that they were on the 44 class also.

Cheers,
Allan Brown
  Coastboy7 Locomotive Fireman

Yes, factory fill, noticed that it had not made he order page as well.
  Coastboy7 Locomotive Fireman

Yes, factory fill, noticed that it had not made he order page as well.
  Ardglen Junior Train Controller

4520 now appears as another number in 1980's Indian Red livery...
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
VR L class order forms now available from the product & order forms pages.
  ANDL36Y Train Controller

So no SAR/AN 600 class then... Sad

Cheers
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

With the 35 class variations one would think that a surprise 600 class announcement would be the case. The fact that no mention has been made of a definite 'no' can only indicate that its more than likely.
There are quite a few variations of this class that would indicate a thumbs up for good sales so I guess Auscisions silence is a good thing. As a NSW collector I still would go for a mustard pot and AN green to compliment interstate workings.

I still can not believe how many candy variations there are?  Auscision really do cover all the variations superbly!!

Next year is going to super expensive.
45/46/86/Tangara/XPT and maybe even the V/RUB/Southern Aurora!!!
  a6et Minister for Railways

With the 35 class variations one would think that a surprise 600 class announcement would be the case. The fact that no mention has been made of a definite 'no' can only indicate that its more than likely.
There are quite a few variations of this class that would indicate a thumbs up for good sales so I guess Auscisions silence is a good thing. As a NSW collector I still would go for a mustard pot and AN green to compliment interstate workings.

I still can not believe how many candy variations there are?  Auscision really do cover all the variations superbly!!

Next year is going to super expensive.
45/46/86/Tangara/XPT and maybe even the V/RUB/Southern Aurora!!!
5711
While the 600's were basically the same as the 45cl, there are enough differences in them from the as delivered version, through to those done on them for SAR use, then when they came to PTK for the Local working & to Medway, they were rejected until mods were carried out on them back in SA.

Further mods were carried out on them after they went back. I would think that any company producing the 45cl would do the 600's as its a good spin off, but it will mean several variations to them both major & semi minor.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
While the 600's were basically the same as the 45cl, there are enough differences in them from the as delivered version, through to those done on them for SAR use, then when they came to PTK for the Local working & to Medway, they were rejected until mods were carried out on them back in SA.

Further mods were carried out on them after they went back. I would think that any company producing the 45cl would do the 600's as its a good spin off, but it will mean several variations to them both major & semi minor.
a6et
On a positive aspect.....at least the "guts" of the model would be identical, as the chassis, motor, drive line and bogies would all be identical (I think), so the differences would be the cosmetic outer-shell items only. Given that there are already some variations in the outer-shell within the 45 class range (eg: the position of the sand boxes and possibly some of the filter grills on the sides of the long hood etc), one would imagine that it shouldn't be all that difficult to bang out some other castings for the 600. But then again, what I know about injection casting (if that's the right term) could be written in bold print on the back of a half-sucked Aspro!!!

Roachie
  a6et Minister for Railways

On a positive aspect.....at least the "guts" of the model would be identical, as the chassis, motor, drive line and bogies would all be identical (I think), so the differences would be the cosmetic outer-shell items only. Given that there are already some variations in the outer-shell within the 45 class range (eg: the position of the sand boxes and possibly some of the filter grills on the sides of the long hood etc), one would imagine that it shouldn't be all that difficult to bang out some other castings for the 600. But then again, what I know about injection casting (if that's the right term) could be written in bold print on the back of a half-sucked Aspro!!!

Roachie
Roachie
Interestingly Bill when they went back for the sand box mods, the retained the old front loading sand boxes but IIRC it was slightly different to the 45cl setup.  The new side openings were then cut in at a lower point than the front ones, whereas the 45cl the front box was simply welded up & a new one positioned at the same level to the side.

There were differences to the Dynamic brake grids in the nose also, & several other subtle differences.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Interestingly Bill when they went back for the sand box mods, the retained the old front loading sand boxes but IIRC it was slightly different to the 45cl setup.  The new side openings were then cut in at a lower point than the front ones, whereas the 45cl the front box was simply welded up & a new one positioned at the same level to the side.

There were differences to the Dynamic brake grids in the nose also, & several other subtle differences.
a6et
Yeh, I guess that is the sort of thing I was talking about.....there are several differences regarding the body proper, but the mech is the same. There may be subtle differences in the bogies too I suppose...eg they may have had a different speed recorder and/or brake cylinder arrangements etc.
  wat700 Junior Train Controller

Location: Richmond, NSW
Well fingers crossed the predictions are correct and the commonality of the mech makes producing the SA 600 Class a reality! Smile

Cheers,
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC
More pre Xmas news!

GL class finally announced:



  brissim Chief Train Controller

More pre Xmas news!

GL class finally announced:
Factory_Fill
Very interesting development. I know there are some body differences between the GL and the 442 but it certainly raises the question of how much more work would be required to produce a 442.

Tony
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Very interesting development. I know there are some body differences between the GL and the 442 but it certainly raises the question of how much more work would be required to produce a 442.

Tony
brissim
Hi Tony
my thoughts are that the mech would probably fit, and Auscision are smart enough to make sure it does Wink  Were the bogies ,frame and fuel tanks unchanged from a 442? My guess is that they moved the air receivers around or did something else that might make a simple body change undo-able by some of our manufacturers?
However the tanks and piping could actually be designed as a second piece similar to the way Austrains built the C Class tank? and piping could be simply clipped in place. Although the horrors of bits and pieces falling off might be a big reason to not do that Sad
Cheers
Rod



Marcus Wong Picture 442S3

GL Class
  a6et Minister for Railways

Hi Tony
my thoughts are that the mech would probably fit, and Auscision are smart enough to make sure it does Wink  Were the bogies ,frame and fuel tanks unchanged from a 442? My guess is that they moved the air receivers around or did something else that might make a simple body change undo-able by some of our manufacturers?
However the tanks and piping could actually be designed as a second piece similar to the way Austrains built the C Class tank?
Cheers
Rod



Marcus Wong Picture 442S3

GL Class
comtrain
Rod

I am not sure about the whole conversion/rebuild of the Jumbo's to that of a GL, but certainly the body is quite significantly changed, & looks smaller overall, more like a 422 without the portholes.  However, that may be an illusion based more on the body looking smoother overall, & not as banana boxes like the Jumbo's.

The Bogies OTOH look the same, & there does appear to be changes made to the fuel tank.

Looking at the differences, if the length of the GL is the same as the Jumbo it would certainly need a full new body to be tooled.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

Looking at the differences, if the length of the GL is the same as the Jumbo it would certainly need a full new body to be tooled.
a6et
Read all about the rebuilds in this article: http://www.railindustryspecialist.com/documents/MotivePower_gl.pdf

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