Metro ticket inspector body slams teenage girl AFTER being punched in the face

 
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
The CCTV vision shows the 15-year-old girl punching a ticket inspector in the face before she is picked up and thrown to the ground.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/metro-ticket-inspector-body-slams-teenage-girl-after-being-punched-in-the-face/story-fni0fee2-1226778684161



In my opinion, she would not have had an issue if she had a valid ticket.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This was covered on the news this evening and Metro Trains conducted their own investigation which found the employees had not acted inappropriately.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
I didn't catch the news, but I agree.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I didn't catch the news, but I agree.
QSB6.7

Online petition at: http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/metro-trains-take-leadership-against-inappropriate-violence-towards-a-15-year-old-girl

There is just no place for any violence of this type in our society.
  gmanning1 Locomotive Driver

Location: Sydney
The CCTV vision shows the 15-year-old girl punching a ticket inspector in the face before she is picked up and thrown to the ground.
QSB6.7
The ticket inspector appears to be following her with a mobile to his ear. She first slams the gate into him and then strikes him, then she is restrained.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
Is there a petition to have assault charges laid on her (if they have not already)?
  kapow Junior Train Controller

Is there a petition to have assault charges laid on her (if they have not already)?
QSB6.7
http://http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/girl-spear-tackled-by-metro-officer-is-under-anglicares-guardianship-20131210-2z42u.html

She should not have acted the way that she did but it does explain why the inspector acted the way he did, it is not the way you deal with the situation. The Age piece explain that the kid and that is what she is obviously is not in a good place which might explain her actions, again she should not have done it but there really is no need for assault charges to be laid.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

http://http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/girl-spear-tackled-by-metro-officer-is-under-anglicares-guardianship-20131210-2z42u.html

She should not have acted the way that she did but it does explain why the inspector acted the way he did, it is not the way you deal with the situation. The Age piece explain that the kid and that is what she is obviously is not in a good place which might explain her actions, again she should not have done it but there really is no need for assault charges to be laid.
kapow
Well Smart Alec, inform us all how you would deal with such a situation or are just making a gratuitous remark for no particular reason.

Actually the scum out there have quickly taken up on the You Tube video as I politely advised a 25 something female that smoking was not permitted in an enclosed shopping centre and she remarked "I don't give a stuff, what are you going to do about it, assault me?" They are all just scum that think they can do what they like with impunity.
  Peter Spyker Train Controller

I hope this guy gets sacked and is never employed by anyone, ever again. Violent thugs should be ostracised from our society.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This change.org petition is almost at 23,000 signatures this morning.  I heard on the ABC yesterday the girl had been charged with assault so obviously it was an attack on the PSO/Officer severe enough to warrant a police charge.

ABC News also stated the teenager was in the care of the state.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I hope this guy gets sacked and is never employed by anyone, ever again. Violent thugs should be ostracised from our society.
"Peter Spyker"
So what do you suggest happens to the scrote that hit first, eh?

Give her a slap on the wrist and a pat on the head saying "don't do that again"?
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
The reactions here are unfortunately typical "She did wrong so she deserves what she got'.

Absolute rubbish. The inspectors should be trained better. In slamming her down on the ground she could easily have been killed or permanently incapacitated. Is that an OK result for not having a ticket?

Violence should not beget violence in any situation, and if you think it is OK then you are sadly ignorant.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

The reactions here are unfortunately typical "She did wrong so she deserves what she got'.

Absolute rubbish. The inspectors should be trained better. In slamming her down on the ground she could easily have been killed or permanently incapacitated. Is that an OK result for not having a ticket?

Violence should not beget violence in any situation, and if you think it is OK then you are sadly ignorant.
TheBlacksmith
So is any-one ever responsible for their actions? Its a big, bad world out there and if people screw up then unfortunately sometimes some-one gets hurt. Sometimes the person getting hurt is the one that screwed up. Hopefully this little charmer will figure this out before she dies. Ignorance is in the eye of the beholder.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The reactions here are unfortunately typical "She did wrong so she deserves what she got'.

Absolute rubbish. The inspectors should be trained better. In slamming her down on the ground she could easily have been killed or permanently incapacitated. Is that an OK result for not having a ticket?

Violence should not beget violence in any situation, and if you think it is OK then you are sadly ignorant.
TheBlacksmith
Hello, the ticket inspector is not a young guy and inquiries have found he acted appropriately and for all you know may have tried to de-escalate the situation without success. I suggest all you side walk superintendents who doing nothing more threatening than pull the weeds in your garden should keep to your gardening as you have absolutely no idea what goes on in the outside world.

And before you start criticising me I previously did pro-bono legal work for the Salvation Army probably defending these type of offenders. Yes, there are injustices, but in this case the offender appears to have a history of violence. Why would a normal person react so violently about a ticket. Because the offender probably was aware she was in deep strife because of previous offences.

As for the petition, I find this trial by media absolutely abhorrent and actually quite a threat to the legal system. Viewing a You Tube video does not make you a legal expert and able to pronounce judgement on the sparse facts shown in the video. You are dealing here with an extremely violent individual who may have been in possession of a knife. Instead of an assault charge she may have been facing a murder charge.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Received from Change.org this afternoon

Brian --
It's unbelievable. Metro Trains are saying the officer's actions were "within company policy" -- the body slamming of a 15-year-old girl was even deemed acceptable by an internal investigation. From your comments left on this petition, we know that this is just one example of a serious culture of violence amongst the Authorised Officers.

I am so humbled and heartened that in the last 2 days more than 28,000 of us have stood up against this kind of horrific violence. It's meant our petition and message that this culture of violence isn't ok has been covered by Herald Sun, The Age, Ten News, 3AW and more.

Some of you may have read today in The Age that the girl who was brutally assaulted in this case is under Anglicare's guardianship and was 'visibly traumatised' the day after the incident. I spoke to Anglicare today and they and the girl are grateful for our support.

Anglicare actually met with Metro Trains about this incident immediately after it occurred. They felt that meeting was very productive, but wereastonished when they heard that the review found that the officers' actions were 'reasonable'! Anglicare have offered to help with better training for Authorised Officers, but with Metro Trains still refusing to accept that the officer's actions were even unacceptable we need to keep the pressure up to make that happen.

Can you help by urging Metro to adopt better training and support, and the Transport Minister to step in immediately? [color=#008884]Click here to tweet to @metrotrains, [color=#008884]here to provide longer feedback[/color] and email the Minister Terry Mulder at [color=#008884]terence.mulder@parliament.vic.gov.au[/color]. [/color]

Metro Trains must ensure this is the last incident of its kind. They now know tens of thousands of commuters won't stand for this type of violence from Authorised Officers -- and it's time they provide better anti-violence training and support to their staff. The Victorian Government must also ensure that the planned investigation into this incident is thorough and fully transparent. Metro's customers and the Victorian public deserve to know how these officers could be cleared of wrongdoing without even any counselling.

What comes next? I contacted Metro yesterday (Tuesday) to arrange a meeting, but as of now I have not heard back from them. Anglicare are also going to let us know how their offers for support have been received by Metro. If you think that you can help, please get in touch -- I'd love to hear from you.

Together, we can help Metro and the Victorian Government be accountable to the community.

Thanks for all your support.
Dan A'Vard
P.S. Please keep sharing the petition too, you can [color=#008884]share on your Facebook quickly now by clicking here. Hopefully we can reach 30,000 signatures![/color]
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Metro Trains must ensure this is the last incident of its kind. They now know tens of thousands of commuters won't stand for this type of violence from Authorised Officers -- and it's time they provide better anti-violence training and support to their staff. The Victorian Government must also ensure that the planned investigation into this incident is thorough and fully transparent. Metro's customers and the Victorian public deserve to know how these officers could be cleared of wrongdoing without even any counselling.
Dan A'Vard


And many millions won't stand for the lawless grubs in society who seem to get away with anything they feel like doing. It is time someone stood up to them.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Let's just say we had no AO's and there were police or PSO's in the exact same role. I could imagine bats, spray, or guns would have been drawn. AO's have no weapons and are generally not as well respected as police officers. What if that turd punched a cop under the same circumstances? She may have been shot like that scrote in Northcote a few years ago.

Anyone who thinks the AO was in the wrong or shouldn't have done it should work in public transport for a week. You get to see first hand what "societies most vulnerable" really are, and you lose sympathy for them very, very quickly.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If you punch anyone in the face, don't complain if you cop it back, plus interest. The idea of defence/retaliation is to make damn sure that the attacker can't throw another punch ( or worse ). In other words, you put them out of business. It's the first principle of unarmed combat.
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
If you punch anyone in the face, don't complain if you cop it back, plus interest. The idea of defence/retaliation is to make damn sure that the attacker can't throw another punch ( or worse ). In other words, you put them out of business. It's the first principle of unarmed combat.
Valvegear

Yes but do two wrongs make a right? These officers are there to enforce legislation it is not an entitlement to mame or attack or overuse of force for anyone.  No.  he did thew wrong thing.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Yes but do two wrongs make a right? These officers are there to enforce legislation it is not an entitlement to mame or attack or overuse of force for anyone.  No.  he did thew wrong thing.
waynes
An opinion shared, no doubt, by many at Fairfax, the ABC and the legal bureaucracy. I didn't see "2 wrongs". I seen someone attack some-one else, who then defended themselves.
  MikeyJackson Locomotive Driver

Location: Footscray, Victoria, Australia
attacking the woman and running her into the ground was not defending
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

attacking the woman and running her into the ground was not defending
MikeyJackson
Guessing you haven't been punched in the face recently.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
attacking the woman and running her into the ground was not defending
MikeyJackson
Absolute drivel. It is because nobody takes action against these types that they feel they can do what they like with impunity. She had committed (at least) two criminal acts (theft and assault), a person with authority acted accordingly.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Absolute drivel. It is because nobody takes action against these types that they feel they can do what they like with impunity. She had committed (at least) two criminal acts (theft and assault), a person with authority acted accordingly.
Graham4405
So because she committed two felonies, which would get her little more than a hefty fine in court, she deserves to suffer the risk of death?

It is really sad to see how many people on this forum think that an act of violence requires a similar or greater act of violence in return, because it suggests you would do the same thing yourselves in similar circumstances.

For god's sake, it is a ticketing offence, not murder or anything even vaguely similar. In recent times people have been killed when they were king hit and then their head hit the ground with some force. This is no different, the man spear-tackled her into the ground.

Does she deserve to die because of a ticketing offence. you people need to get a sense of proportion.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
So because she committed two felonies, which would get her little more than a hefty fine in court, she deserves to suffer the risk of death?

It is really sad to see how many people on this forum think that an act of violence requires a similar or greater act of violence in return, because it suggests you would do the same thing yourselves in similar circumstances.

For god's sake, it is a ticketing offence, not murder or anything even vaguely similar. In recent times people have been killed when they were king hit and then their head hit the ground with some force. This is no different, the man spear-tackled her into the ground.

Does she deserve to die because of a ticketing offence. you people need to get a sense of proportion.
TheBlacksmith
We all "suffer the risk of death" daily. We drive/travel on roads, cross roads etc. It's a jungle out there in case you hadn't noticed! In this circumstance the AO is effectively a "policeman" in all but name. The Police and other authorised persons use force to restrain people they deem to be a risk daily. If I were in such a capacity I would likely do similar in similar circumstances. If I or a family member, friend, even a casual acquaintance, even someone I didn't know for that matter, were at risk I would act similarly to protect the person from that risk. It is not unusual. Anyone who knows me at all would know that I have never used violence against another human. That doesn't mean I wouldn't in appropriate circumstances. This dumb notion that criminals should be molly-coddled is one reason why there is so much crime. The lack of "teeth" in the judicial system is another...

As for the extent of the "violence" on the part of the AO, it would appear to me that he pushed her to the ground, granted with some force. It doesn't look like a "spear tackle" to me. The term "body slam" has also been used, this is probably closer to the truth, but to my way of thinking that term implies more force than was evident (to me) in the very grainy video clip.

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