Summer of Cricket 2013/14

 
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Anyone taking bets as to what time the Ashes are back in the hands of the rightful owners?
Donald
Theoretically (note I said theorectically) it isn't impossible for England to win (or force a draw in) this test from here. Realistically - it's unlikely that they will do either.

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  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
There are a dozen players who have come and gone through the side since losing 4-zip in India. Not a bad second XI actually. Ed Cowan, Phil Hughes, Usman Khawaja, Moises Henriques, Glenn Maxwell, Matthew Wade, James Faulkner, Mitchell Starc, Ashton Agar, James Pattinson and Jackson Bird
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
I'm sure most of you would have seen/heard this bizarre statistic yesterday.


  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The Poms could win this.  Half the nation will have shot nerves if it goes to the 3rd session today...
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Australia by 150. The Ashes are ours again! Smile
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Australia by 150. The Ashes are ours again! Smile
Graham4405
You Beauty !!!!!!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
This time Australia was made to fight a bit harder for the win. Stokes in particular did a good job of holding up the proceedings. That said, one would have to say that everyone in the Australian side has contributed well to the 3-0 series score line. One of the best features has been Darren Lehmann's determination to get rid of the ridiculous idea of rotating and resting fast bowlers. Harris, Johnson and Siddle have bowled as a pace bowling unit, and it's worked. Lyon has backed them up extremely well, and the Australian fielding has been right back to traditional Australian standard. The batting has been brittle at times, but one or two have stood up in every innings, and scored a mountain of runs.  This is looking like a very good side indeed. I hope they can maintain it for the next two Tests.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

This time Australia was made to fight a bit harder for the win. Stokes in particular did a good job of holding up the proceedings. That said, one would have to say that everyone in the Australian side has contributed well to the 3-0 series score line. One of the best features has been Darren Lehmann's determination to get rid of the ridiculous idea of rotating and resting fast bowlers. Harris, Johnson and Siddle have bowled as a pace bowling unit, and it's worked. Lyon has backed them up extremely well, and the Australian fielding has been right back to traditional Australian standard. The batting has been brittle at times, but one or two have stood up in every innings, and scored a mountain of runs.  This is looking like a very good side indeed. I hope they can maintain it for the next two Tests.
Valvegear
I'd include Watson in that bowling mix as well.  The attack has been well balanced with sufficient variety.  But I think it's impossible to overstate the importance in quality.  It's the senior players who've bowled really well, none of our under-19 veterans the coaching staff under Arthur were so fond of.  And Clarke's tactics have been spot on too.  All of the bowlers have been used "correctly", even Watson.  

And I think the biggest thing that has come out of the Homeworkgate affair is the rightful return of Brad Haddin.  He was "dropped" for no other reason than he was deemed too old, which ironically enough was the reason he was brought back into the side because they didn't have any other players senior enough to be VC.  Apart from the fact his keeping has been incredibly good (especially compared with the litany of costly misses Wade racked up), the runs he's made this series have all been extremely important: injecting the starch we've needed in our middle/lower order at times when the game is in the balance.   ATM Johnson is favourite for man of the series, but for mine BJ has been the biggest difference between the two sides.

And yes, selection stability has certainly helped.  I still think we're a long way from selecting our best top 6 in the best order, and I also think the attack - as good as it's been - will need an injection of youth to give it a bit more depth.  The fourth innings in Perth - with Australia miles ahead in the game the whole time - exposed some lack of the lack of depth necessary to use Johnson effectively (ie no more than 3 overs in a spell Smile).

I still think 3-0 is flattering to Australia.  At some stage you'd expect Pieterson and/or Cook to pile on (at least one) big score - probably enough to win a game off their own bat.  Bell has been playing well, but just hasn't played that match-winning innings yet.  Cook has been very unlucky with the quality of delivery which has knocked over his castle twice now.  Bowlers who can move the ball both ways are always very hard to play, but both ways at the same time ???
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
This time Australia was made to fight a bit harder for the win. Stokes in particular did a good job of holding up the proceedings. That said, one would have to say that everyone in the Australian side has contributed well to the 3-0 series score line. One of the best features has been Darren Lehmann's determination to get rid of the ridiculous idea of rotating and resting fast bowlers. Harris, Johnson and Siddle have bowled as a pace bowling unit, and it's worked. Lyon has backed them up extremely well, and the Australian fielding has been right back to traditional Australian standard. The batting has been brittle at times, but one or two have stood up in every innings, and scored a mountain of runs.  This is looking like a very good side indeed. I hope they can maintain it for the next two Tests.
Valvegear
Most of the side have made significant contributions, which is why we've done well, not just 1 or 2 players.

Warner, Clarke, Smith, Haddin all made valuable runs while Johnson, Siddle, Harris and Lyon all made vital and or frequent breakthroughs. The only players that you could question are Rogers, Watson and Bailey, 3 out of 11 isn't bad. While England have had only 1 centurion in Ben Stokes and only 1 bowler that has threatened us, Broad.

Enjoyed a few drinks tonight to celebrate Very Happy
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
And I think the biggest thing that has come out of the Homeworkgate affair is the rightful return of Brad Haddin.  He was "dropped" for no other reason than he was deemed too old, which ironically enough was the reason he was brought back into the side because they didn't have any other players senior enough to be VC.
"djf01"
Hey, hang on a minute; Haddin wasn't dropped. He returned home from an overseas tour because his little daughter was seriously ill with a form of cancer. He took time to be with his family, and Wade inherited the keeping job. Haddin became available again and Wade had showed that he was not Test class - he had no idea of taking Lyon. Haddin then was selected for test duty and has earned his keep.
  MC3801 Train Controller

Well done Australia. The ashes are back in our hands. Hopefully they can win the series 5-0.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I will say right now, that the English looked pedestrian at best, Pop Gun at worst, They really didn't have a clue, one of the major highlights this series for me was George Bailey smoking Anderson for 28 in one over!!!, amazing stuff!

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Not happy Jan. Piss poor effort all round from the Poms.

Some credit must go to Lehmann for instilling a 'take no prisoners' approach by this Australian side.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Hey, hang on a minute; Haddin wasn't dropped. He returned home from an overseas tour because his little daughter was seriously ill with a form of cancer. He took time to be with his family, and Wade inherited the keeping job. Haddin became available again and Wade had showed that he was not Test class - he had no idea of taking Lyon. Haddin then was selected for test duty and has earned his keep.
Valvegear

Yep, he was dropped, but I did put it in quotes because of the circumstances.

Yes, he was given leave to miss the West Indies tour, and Wade made his maiden test century at a critical time while serving as Haddin's replacement.   Haddin was available for the 2012/13 Aussie season, After that, the selectors decided Wade was the way of the future and Haddin was simply never selected again.  He played no international cricket (AFAIK) in the Aussie 12/13 summer, and was not selected for the tour of India.  But he was flown over as a replacement for Wade and played one test, but was dropped again for Wade after that.  

Wade was not selected for the Ashes tour of England, and Haddin has been our keeper ever since.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
It doesn't matter if he was dropped or not; Haddin was determined to be the best option for both Ashes series, and it's paid off; he's won an urn and I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last series. I mean, there is no better way to bow out than winning The Ashes; the pinnacle of cricket. He's 36, with a young family to think about, and he's got nothing left to prove. He's a great keeper/batsman up there with Ian Healy and Adam Gilchrist before him.

As for Matthew Wade; I think the guy is just about worthy of test selection in his own right as a batsman, but his keeping is not up to it and we need to find someone else, and I don't know who that is.

I'm very interested in what team we will field for Ashes 2015. My XI based on what I've seen and who should still be around by then is:


- D. Warner
- J. Silk
- P. Hughes
- M. Clarke (c)
- S. Smith (vc)
- J. Faulkner
- P. Handscomb (wk)
- J. Pattinson
- M. Starc
- N. Lyon
- J. Bird
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

Even though Haddin is and should be our keeper, I personally think that Tim Paine was unlucky not to be given more of a chance in the Australian line up in that post Gilchrist period. I know his broken finger and on going issues with the finger was the reason he couldn't play but he showed some very good potential as a keeper/batsmen.
I remember watching him play in a series in India, either the 09/10 ODI series (the first 2 only due to broken finger and being replaced by Manou) or the 10/11 test and ODI series, and he proved he could keep and bat, especially on the dust bowl/rank turner wickets over there.
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
So, The Ashes pressure, has gotten to Trott, and now Swann, who announced his retirement today. Very interesting turn of events, Trotts departure unsettled the dressing room, and now Swann's will do even more so!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Swann should either have declined the invitation to come here, or he should play and fight it out.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Swann should either have declined the invitation to come here, or he should play and fight it out.
Valvegear
I agree, at the press conference yesterday he just looked like a spoiled child who had spat the dummy and was taking his ball and going home. The bitterness was very apparent. He might have been a very good bowler, but as a person I never liked him.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
I disagree, better to give a new spinner two tests of experience in a dead rubber where it doesn't matter so much. England will next play 2 tests against Sri Lanka then then a 4-match series against India both in England, 4 tests of experience for whoever they pick could be vital going into a series against a strong India.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I disagree, better to give a new spinner two tests of experience in a dead rubber where it doesn't matter so much.
"alstom-888m"
Oh yeah? Who's the "new spinner" going to be? Panesar will play and he needs test experience like a fish needs a bicycle.  If they were playing in England, when a player can be instantly plucked out of any county side, maybe, but I can't see it happening here.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
If the pick Panesar over flying a new player in, then they are making a mistake long-term.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
If the pick Panesar over flying a new player in, then they are making a mistake long-term.
alstom_888m
They have...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Nothing unusual about long-term selection mistakes.

Incidentally, did anyone see the article in Cricinfo?  Swann's grandmother ( I kid you not ) says she believes  that Swann has retired because the Australians ( or one of them anyway ) were nasty to him.
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

I did read that story Valvegear. Couldn't help but chuckle to myself when I was reading it.

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