Reckon it's about time time to start a new thread. It's A Fresh Start.

http://heritageexpress.com.au/pages/media/thnsw/management-team-2013/

It's A Fresh Start.

I wonder how high will the six figure salaries be in that lot mentioned?
All they have to do now is finish off the mob at Eveleigh and the victory will be complete.
After that they will have to get bums on seats on tour trains to justify the leadership structure.

I wonder how high will the six figure salaries be in that lot mentioned?
All they have to do now is finish off the mob at Eveleigh and the victory will be complete.
After that they will have to get bums on seats on tour trains to justify the leadership structure.

They won't get any more bums on seats than currently occurs so time to bring in an independent consulting group that concludes it is all economically not viable, Greiner chimes in, assets liquidated, all over red rover.  Back to square 1 circa 1963.

Sadly in this country we have it all wrong. Why does a museum that is preserving and showcasing our history need to stack up as economically viable? In the UK museums are (mostly) free to enter, and yes donations are encouraged. Yes somebody has to bear the cost, but it shouldn't be user pays.

They won't get any more bums on seats than currently occurs so time to bring in an independent consulting group that concludes it is all economically not viable, Greiner chimes in, assets liquidated, all over red rover.  Back to square 1 circa 1963.

You are right, the animal which has been created will be left to its own for a couple of years till after the next term of the current Government or a change of Government should Barry's men and women do what all politicians do when in long term office and ignore the electorate.
I feel once people get settled in on their taxpayer salaries and funding an air of institutionalism and inefficiency will settle into this new THNSW.
It happens all the time when the Government gets its finger into things.

To make this new animal work they need to have a monopoly to hide the eventual inefficiency and they have to eliminate all direct rival groups in the Sydney metropolitan area who have the ability to run tours using their own rolling stock.

You are right, the animal which has been created will be left to its own for a couple of years till after the next term of the current Government or a change of Government should Barry's men and women do what all politicians do when in long term office and ignore the electorate.
I feel once people get settled in on their taxpayer salaries and funding an air of institutionalism and inefficiency will settle into this new THNSW.
It happens all the time when the Government gets its finger into things.

To make this new animal work they need to have a monopoly to hide the eventual inefficiency and they have to eliminate all direct rival groups in the Sydney metropolitan area who have the ability to run tours using their own rolling stock.

So the NSW Government is throwing in $5 million just to ensure THNSW fails. You are actually talking gibberish. This is all 3801 Ltd. Get over it. The only difference is that 3801 Ltd doesn't have a loco it did not own in the first place.

Sadly in this country we have it all wrong. Why does a museum that is preserving and showcasing our history need to stack up as economically viable? In the UK museums are (mostly) free to enter, and yes donations are encouraged. Yes somebody has to bear the cost, but it shouldn't be user pays.

There are 56 million people in the UK. Perhaps there are more tax payer dollars to throw around.

There are 56 million people in the UK. Perhaps there are more tax payer dollars to throw around.

The UK has a lot more history to showcase too. Our system is sadly lacking. We demand both services and tax cuts. You can't have your cake and eat it too!

I said it in the last thread, and I'll say it again. I assume all of those opinionated folks who have decided that the sky is falling attended the RTM meetings about it, because they're RTM members, and they voted against it? If they're just trackside dribblers who don't contribute a cent to heritage, then their opinion is not valid. The members voted, and it passed. Now we're all looking forward to the future, unlike the Chicken Littles of the world. They won't be happy unless vests are banned and everything is "as it was in the good old days". Adapt and move forward.

I said it in the last thread, and I'll say it again. I assume all of those opinionated folks who have decided that the sky is falling attended the RTM meetings about it, because they're RTM members, and they voted against it? If they're just trackside dribblers who don't contribute a cent to heritage, then their opinion is not valid. The members voted, and it passed. Now we're all looking forward to the future, unlike the Chicken Littles of the world. They won't be happy unless vests are banned and everything is "as it was in the good old days". Adapt and move forward.

Couldn't have put it better myself.  Essentially it is the same organisation just with enlarged responsibilities and a funding model.  The member still have a majority on the board and if after the five years the agreement ends then we will have had five years of great funding that is not to be sneezed at.  I think this is the greatest thing that has happened for rail heritage in this state since 1962.  

But for the professor and a few other children chucking a tantrum we are all excited.

I would like to hear the executives speak first and see . So far everyone else is passing judgment but silence from from the top.  And no news from the heritage circles regarding THNSW at all.

Not overly impressed so far with this government and how it conducts itself any more then the last

What is the promised funding package for the initial five years period, remembering that a fixed percentage has to be spread amongst the other recognised Museum groups?

What is the promised funding package for the initial five years period, remembering that a fixed percentage has to be spread amongst the other recognised Museum groups?

That question was asked at the RTM AGM.  The answer is that the NSWG will not allow THNSW (RTM) to announce the details.  THNSW will prepare a budget of around $5M per annum.  We (members) will only know the true picture after the first annual report finances are reported (if the breakdown detail is shown).

Happy unknown,

John

The UK has a lot more history to showcase too. Our system is sadly lacking. We demand both services and tax cuts. You can't have your cake and eat it too!

The UK funds a lot of that 'heritage' out of the 'national lottery fund', 28% of the takings from the 'national lottery' are used as a sort of slush fund for 'good causes'.
That way the heritage grant scheme isn't funded directly by the taxpayer, although the funds available are at the mercy of the lottery takings.

You are right, the animal which has been created will be left to its own for a couple of years till after the next term of the current Government or a change of Government should Barry's men and women do what all politicians do when in long term office and ignore the electorate.
I feel once people get settled in on their taxpayer salaries and funding an air of institutionalism and inefficiency will settle into this new THNSW.
It happens all the time when the Government gets its finger into things.

To make this new animal work they need to have a monopoly to hide the eventual inefficiency and they have to eliminate all direct rival groups in the Sydney metropolitan area who have the ability to run tours using their own rolling stock.

Allambee, the whole point of this organisation is to attempt to make the "structure and system of heritage train operations" more unified. Your statement about eliminating all direct rivals is ridiculous. Do you seriously think that any assertion of that nature would be publically or politically acceptable? I think not.  Your statement regarding "their own rolling stock" is not true either if your referring to 01ltd, as they have state owned rolling stock in their fleet and I don't see that changing.

Your constant "anti change attitude" reinforcement is more proof that you and a couple of like minded individuals will stop at nothing to prevent any form of unity. Either sit back and help the process in a proactive manner or reserve your comments.  

The industry, which 01ltd is a part of, needs to unite and get its act together to have any form of collective future, it is now or never.

I have some reservations on how it will work, but I intend to do whatever I can do in proactive way to help the process.

And if by some stroke it actually does work out for the better, we can all enjoy the benefits, together!

Is it true the original 10% or $500K was reduced to $300K (of $5M Budget) available for smaller entities to fight over as stated in the first THNSW Q&A session?

Allambee, the whole point of this organisation is to attempt to make the "structure and system of heritage train operations" more unified. Your statement about eliminating all direct rivals is ridiculous. Do you seriously think that any assertion of that nature would be publically or politically acceptable? I think not. Your statement regarding "their own rolling stock" is not true either if your referring to 01ltd, as they have state owned rolling stock in their fleet and I don't see that changing.

Your constant "anti change attitude" reinforcement is more proof that you and a couple of like minded individuals will stop at nothing to prevent any form of unity. Either sit back and help the process in a proactive manner or reserve your comments.

The industry, which 01ltd is a part of, needs to unite and get its act together to have any form of collective future, it is now or never.

I have some reservations on how it will work, but I intend to do whatever I can do in proactive way to help the process.

And if by some stroke it actually does work out for the better, we can all enjoy the benefits, together!

"Your statement about eliminating all direct rivals is ridiculous"  ---- Eliminating rivals via competitive advantage, price or product differentiation is something they teach to undergraduate students. Governments are classic culprits in establishing monopolies. The mob at Eveleigh currently have a competitive advantage over the RTM down South with a base in the city. Every time the RTM want to run a tour out of Sydney its a lengthy return trip to their base. I find it incredible that board of the RTM were publicly stating only a few years ago Eveleigh wasn't critical to their operations and now it seeming is.

What seems to be an area of concern for Smaller Heritage Transport Organisations with Transport Heritage NSW is the fact their only advocate is a staffer reporting to the RTM Asset Manager.

Surely one representative of Smaller Heritage Transport Organisations should be appointed as a Transport Heritage NSW non-elected director to ensure a unified heritage sector?