Cityrail Rail Extension to Bathurst

 
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Right, looky here.

For a SYD-BHS-SYD daytrip, you have two options. Option number one Dubbo XPT. Departs Sydney Central 0710, arrives Bathurst 1043; departs Bathurst 1707, arrives Sydney Central 2049. The timing is perfect for a daytrip, giving you six hours and a bit of time in Bathurst; you travel in reasonable comfort.

If you're too much of a cheapskate to cough up for that, here's option number two you can have a cup of concrete and take the CityRail service. This consists of an electric interurban to Lithgow, connecting to a coach onwards to Bathurst. There are several such services daily, so take your pick.

If you really, really want a CityRail day train, start a campaign for it and put your heart into it. You never know, you might see it made reality one day. Right now, you have two options convenience and comfort, or cheapness. Take your pick.

Cough up, harden up or stand up. Your choice.
"Watson374"


Watson stop with the 3 letter stuff ok not everyone knows where you mean and its lazy.

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  bernerd Junior Train Controller

Surely in a designated thread discussing Sydney to Bathurst services, where all of the recent discussion is about services between Sydney and Bathurst, it is not a massive ask for people to decipher what SYD and BHS represent.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Watson stop with the 3 letter stuff ok not everyone knows where you mean and its lazy.
Black Hoppers
Sydney Terminal - Bathurst - Sydney Terminal.

Actually, wait a sec, isn't Sydney Terminal "SYT"?

It's being used in context, so I don't see what the issue is.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
Watson stop with the 3 letter stuff ok not everyone knows where you mean and its lazy.
Black Hoppers
It is not at all lazy - railway operators around the world, RailCorp included, have been using them since........Question Well I don't know for sure, but I guess that we could fairly safely say "since time immemorial".

Broaden your education Mr. B. Hoppers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_South_Wales_railway_station_codes
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

Location:
...and if reading a timetable or electronic indicator board. Be sure to look for the "i" that defines Sydney Terminal railway station, country platforms 1-15.
Wink
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
Watson stop with the 3 letter stuff ok not everyone knows where you mean and its lazy.
"Black Hoppers"


Agreed, those that don't have the rail knowledge won't know what your talking about. The comments get read by newbies as well as those more informed of the industry remember Wink
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Watson stop with the 3 letter stuff ok not everyone knows where you mean and its lazy.
"Black Hoppers"
Agreed, those that don't have the rail knowledge won't know what your talking about. The comments get read by newbies as well as those more informed of the industry remember Wink
"bowralcommuter"
Gentlemen, may I draw your attention to the sections in bold?

For a SYD-BHS-SYD daytrip, you have two options. Option number one: Dubbo XPT. Departs Sydney Central 0710, arrives Bathurst 1043; departs Bathurst 1707, arrives Sydney Central 2049. The timing is perfect for a daytrip, giving you six hours and a bit of time in Bathurst; you travel in reasonable comfort.
"Watson374"


I would agree that my use of 'SYD' and 'BHS' would be inappropriate if they were used in isolation; in this case, however, I have explicitly spelt out both 'Bathurst' and 'Sydney Central' more than once. This is in addition to the fact that this discussion is being held in a thread dedicated exclusively to the Bathurst Bullet.

I also do not believe that being unable to decipher 'SYD-BHS-SYD' would inhibit the reader's understanding of the remainder of the paragraph, which explicitly states the departures and arrivals of the Dubbo XPT at both Sydney Central and Bathurst using the names 'Sydney Central' and 'Bathurst' anyway. Ignore/remove the 'SYD-BHS-SYD' string, and it still makes sense, does it not?

For a daytrip, you have two options. Option number one: Dubbo XPT. Departs Sydney Central 0710, arrives Bathurst 1043; departs Bathurst 1707, arrives Sydney Central 2049. The timing is perfect for a daytrip, giving you six hours and a bit of time in Bathurst; you travel in reasonable comfort.
"Watson374"


I therefore assert a conclusion that my use of the three-letter station codes in this case is indeed defensible; it was included to give a succinct qualification to the word 'daytrip' (additional information - 'lazy'?) and because it was used in an appropriate context with alternative equivalent notation ('Sydney Central' and 'Bathurst'), I fail to see how it is objectionable.
  vk2amv Locomotive Fireman

Bumping an old thread,

Here we are around 14 months on since the beginning of the service, does anyone have any idea how the patronage levels of the Bathurst Bullet have been going now days?

It is more curiosity than anything else, but I was wondering if it has kept up in enough numbers to ensure the service is sustainable (hopefully long) into the future?

Thanks for any info.
  moonetau Junior Train Controller

Bumping an old thread,

Here we are around 14 months on since the beginning of the service, does anyone have any idea how the patronage levels of the Bathurst Bullet have been going now days?

It is more curiosity than anything else, but I was wondering if it has kept up in enough numbers to ensure the service is sustainable (hopefully long) into the future?

Thanks for any info.
"vk2amv"


Patronage is quite stable at about 50 - 60 ex Bathurst.
Don't have the figures for the last couple of months but clearly enough to retain in the new timetable.
Ongoing discussions about creating a new car park so that's a good sign.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
I'm surprised no move has been made to try and extend it to Orange, given such a move has been the subject of much talk.
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
I'm surprised no move has been made to try and extend it to Orange, given such a move has been the subject of much talk.
Watson374
Why would you? Orange is an extra 1:15 away, it would make the arrival much later and the departure at OMG o'clock, on rolling stock totally unsuited for a five hour journey, as well as creating issues with regard to crewing.

The only way it could work is to have a later arrival into and earlier departure from Sydney, which would make the service much less useful due to the shorter day

Dave
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
I have seen the Bathurst bullet pass me in the lower Mountains a number of times and she appears almost full most days, especially Monday and Fridays.
  moonetau Junior Train Controller

Why would you? Orange is an extra 1:15 away, it would make the arrival much later and the departure at OMG o'clock, on rolling stock totally unsuited for a five hour journey, as well as creating issues with regard to crewing.

The only way it could work is to have a later arrival into and earlier departure from Sydney, which would make the service much less useful due to the shorter day

Dave
"thadocta"


There was an item in the news recently re a group of Orange people agitating for the extension. Yes it is a long way time wise to Orange given the winding track (and bank) between Tumulla and Blayney. Crew-wise and stabling we have to remember that the Bullet stays overnight at Lithgow and there is apparently a suitable siding at Orange for stabling. So much of a muchness there.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

There was an item in the news recently re a group of Orange people agitating for the extension. Yes it is a long way time wise to Orange given the winding track (and bank) between Tumulla and Blayney. Crew-wise and stabling we have to remember that the Bullet stays overnight at Lithgow and there is apparently a suitable siding at Orange for stabling. So much of a muchness there.
moonetau
It is mainly a crewing issue. Crews can get to Lithgow but not Orange and there are no local crews at Orange. May also need a back up set and there are none available.

Patronage is good which forced a BOM or ATOM  to be installed at Bathurst to avoid queues for tickets. The car park is another matter as previously there was adaquate parking until a fair bit of it was closed due to some contamination issue with the soil. Maybe dreaded asbestos. Must going to remediate it.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Why would you? Orange is an extra 1:15 away, it would make the arrival much later and the departure at OMG o'clock, on rolling stock totally unsuited for a five hour journey, as well as creating issues with regard to crewing.

The only way it could work is to have a later arrival into and earlier departure from Sydney, which would make the service much less useful due to the shorter day

Dave
"thadocta"
Ah, that's brilliant. The idea I heard was for shuttles to Lithgow, so it could run more services.

I'm surprised at the lack of hot air, more than the non-action.
  moonetau Junior Train Controller

It is mainly a crewing issue. Crews can get to Lithgow but not Orange and there are no local crews at Orange. May also need a back up set and there are none available.

Patronage is good which forced a BOM or ATOM  to be installed at Bathurst to avoid queues for tickets. The car park is another matter as previously there was adaquate parking until a fair bit of it was closed due to some contamination issue with the soil. Maybe dreaded asbestos. Must going to remediate it.
"nswtrains"


The area that John Holland leased was fenced off until recently but has been reopened so that people can walk across the area. Cars are prevented from parking. The area behind the Chifley engine would be a better place for a carpark IMO as it is much more of an eyesore and there is contamination of asbestos after a derelict building was set alight by vandals.
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
Ah, that's brilliant. The idea I heard was for shuttles to Lithgow, so it could run more services.

I'm surprised at the lack of hot air, more than the non-action.
Watson374
Am I correct in thinking there are no Endeavour sets currently available? There is only 1 stand-by set at Eveleigh IIRC. The idea of Orange-Lithow is ok as it would get patronage but overcoming the problems (crewing, rollingstock etc) is what will stop the idea for a long time.
  Jim K Train Controller

Location: Well west of the Great Divide in NSW but not as far as South Australia
Am I correct in thinking there are no Endeavour sets currently available? There is only 1 stand-by set at Eveleigh IIRC. The idea of Orange-Lithow is ok as it would get patronage but overcoming the problems (crewing, rollingstock etc) is what will stop the idea for a long time.
bowralcommuter
They are at their limit of rolling stock!
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Am I correct in thinking there are no Endeavour sets currently available? There is only 1 stand-by set at Eveleigh IIRC. The idea of Orange-Lithow is ok as it would get patronage but overcoming the problems (crewing, rollingstock etc) is what will stop the idea for a long time.
"bowralcommuter"
Still only takes one train. It's only crewing.
  bowralcommuter Chief Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a Manly Ferry
Still only takes one train. It's only crewing.
Watson374
What's Plan B if an Endeavour screws up elsewhere?
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
What's Plan B if an Endeavour screws up elsewhere?
bowralcommuter

My guess is an MO rego.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Still only takes one train. It's only crewing.
Watson374
Is Orange in a marginal electorate? Will all these extra patrons be offered $2.50 fares as well? Please......
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
Very safe National seat! No political points for a train to Orange... or a waste of an effort.

Bathurst on the other hand... loves a swing... and hence needed the Bullet to be established.
  thefatcontroller Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, Australia
Does anyone have an update on the patronage and how the service is going?

I've noticed in the past few weeks it has been cancelled due to mechanical issues.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Does anyone have an update on the patronage and how the service is going?

I've noticed in the past few weeks it has been cancelled due to mechanical issues.
thefatcontroller


The Down service left Sydney on the evening of Thursday, 13/2/14, and again Friday, 21/2/14, still plenty of seats.

On Friday evening, 14/2/14, the Down service arrived at Parramatta close to time, not many customers joining the train there.


- Scott.

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