Eureka R Class Arrives!

 
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Ron contacted me in November to confirm my delivery address.
As I said,  I'm no longer prepared to part with my hard earned knowing that it provides nothing in the way of any sort of priority.  

Poor form.
prometheus_au
As a modeller we have had no input in getting the R to our door, except for two ways.

1. get a refund, then  buy a SEM or Brass R

2. We now can ring up Eureka to  remind  him of our order.

Do no. 2 ring him, remind, him, repeat your details, then after 4 days ring him again.  Just ensure you get your  order !

Regards,
David Head

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  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
My experience has been closer to the Blacksmith's than The MeddelingMonks but that is why we pay for a P.O. Box. We used to have a bit of trouble with a dyslexic mail sorter but that has been sorted. Worst experience was flooding of the P.O. Boxes at Westfield Burwood but that was solved at a high level by Australia Post and Westfield.

I would definitely contact Ron before blaming Australia Post.
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
My experience has been closer to the Blacksmith's than The MeddelingMonks but that is why we pay for a P.O. Box. We used to have a bit of trouble with a dyslexic mail sorter but that has been sorted. Worst experience was flooding of the P.O. Boxes at Westfield Burwood but that was solved at a high level by Australia Post and Westfield.

I would definitely contact Ron before blaming Australia Post.
Iain
I get a lot of stuff through Australia post from within Australia and overseas, never lost anything yet after many, many years, one hold up with customs once, some HO Scale Athearn P42's, when they X-rayed them, I think they thought the were Mini-Scud Missiles.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

Wonders will never cease, how long?....................................
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

It's clear there is no loyality to the customers that funded the project right from the start, which without their capital the project could not have moved forward in the first place.
prometheus_au
There was a loyalty offer made to all early payers, a nice discount on the K class.

Funding for models by the various companies is sorted out long before you get a chance to place an order.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

There was a loyalty offer made to all early payers, a nice discount on the K class.

Funding for models by the various companies is sorted out long before you get a chance to place an order.
Poath Junction
I think you will find he was referring to loyalty in distributing the models first to those who payed up seven years ago rather than the discount.
  prometheus_au Chief Train Controller

I think you will find he was referring to loyalty in distributing the models first to those who payed up seven years ago rather than the discount.
kingfisher

Yep,

that's exactly what I was referring to. But as I said, I'll not be making the same mistake again.

That said the model arrived yesterday. Very happy with the quality. My only concern is the plate between the Tender and loco. Connection forming the hinge seems rather prone to failure. This however is minor and can easily be altered. The rest - Spectacular!
  a6et Minister for Railways

Yep,

that's exactly what I was referring to. But as I said, I'll not be making the same mistake again.

That said the model arrived yesterday. Very happy with the quality. My only concern is the plate between the Tender and loco. Connection forming the hinge seems rather prone to failure. This however is minor and can easily be altered. The rest - Spectacular!
prometheus_au

I would actually disagree with the aspect regarding the loyalty offer made back in 2011. What it was referring to was for those who had ordered an Rcl, would be offered a $50.00 discount on ordering a K class.   In the past it was always said that one of the benefits of pre-ordering your models & paying for them meant you would have them first but also be assured of the actual number of the model you were after.

That really does not exist either, especially if an exhibition is close to when the models arrive.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Have heard reports of R classes for sale at Branchline......... for those who want to see it .

Regards,
David Head
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
So now that my R has arrived (after more than one phone call...) I seem to be lucky and not have many of the issues (other than it being light on its feet) that others have described.  Out of the box it appears to be able to negotiate all of my #6 and #7 curved points without much drama at about half max speed.

However it does have a QSI sound decoder which, while it sounds like an R, has not been one of my favourite decoders for a while.

So other than reducing the master volume, and playing with momentum, what CV changes have other people made?  The main thing I've noticed is that the engine has a little bit of a delay to getting moving but otherwise the mechanism is smooth.
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
The one issue I had with my R707 (only on Saturday just gone) was having it negotiate a Peco Code 100 double slip, diverging from the through route. Front bogie dropped off. Nothing major, a double slip should be taken at slow speeds anyway! It does negotiate my rough Code 83 trackwork and a dodgy frog on an Atlas Code 83 #8 point, however, so it does well.

I like the delay to getting going, it's not like a steam loco has instant acceleration. One other thing I might have to look at is working out a realistic speed - possibly reducing the max speed once I measure it (thereabouts, I'm not getting a speed camera out!).

Wolfpac
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
I like the delay to getting going, it's not like a steam loco has instant acceleration.

Wolfpac
wolfpac

I don't have a problem with a slow(er) start-off but I'd like some sort of immediate sound response (opening of cylinder cocks, whatever) in response to the throttle opening up.  Mine just seems to sit there for a few seconds and then gets going and starts making the appropriate sounds.
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
I don't have a problem with a slow(er) start-off but I'd like some sort of immediate sound response (opening of cylinder cocks, whatever) in response to the throttle opening up. Mine just seems to sit there for a few seconds and then gets going and starts making the appropriate sounds.
SAR523

Ah right, got ya. I'm not sure how to modify that, still learning the ropes with DCC, especially DCC sound locos. Maybe lowering the starting voltage might help?

Wolfpac
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Ah right, got ya. I'm not sure how to modify that, still learning the ropes with DCC, especially DCC sound locos. Maybe lowering the starting voltage might help?

Wolfpac
wolfpac

If you can see your way to using Decoderpro, you will find that these sorts of issues are very easy to fiddle with and perfect to your own desire.....without the need to remember a whole host of CVs and other settings.

I bought a 2nd hand laptop off ebay for about $60- and have that permanently connected to my NCE procab in the shed. Decoderpro is all it gets used for and it doesn't have to be the latest and greatest computer.

Even though I have been using my DCC for a few years now and hooked-up the laptop about 18 months ago, I am still finding ways to tweak the decoders for better effect.

The scenario you mention (ie: having the sound commence and then the wheels start turning shortly after) can be easily achieved using the various options in Decoderpro with regard to momentum etc.

Not only that, but if you have a number of locos of the same make/class etc (eg: I have 5 Trainorama 44 class), you can get one going the way you want it, save the data in Decoderpro, then systematically re-program the other locos with that same data (except for the loco running number of course). It takes less time to do all that than it has taken me to type all this!!!

By the way, I am NOT any sort of computer geek and still struggle with some simple computer tasks.....but Decoderpro is great AND free (although they do seek donations; which I was pleased to provide $20- recently).

Cheers

Roachie
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
If you can see your way to using Decoderpro, you will find that these sorts of issues are very easy to fiddle with and perfect to your own desire.....without the need to remember a whole host of CVs and other settings.

I bought a 2nd hand laptop off ebay for about $60- and have that permanently connected to my NCE procab in the shed. Decoderpro is all it gets used for and it doesn't have to be the latest and greatest computer.

Even though I have been using my DCC for a few years now and hooked-up the laptop about 18 months ago, I am still finding ways to tweak the decoders for better effect.

The scenario you mention (ie: having the sound commence and then the wheels start turning shortly after) can be easily achieved using the various options in Decoderpro with regard to momentum etc.

Not only that, but if you have a number of locos of the same make/class etc (eg: I have 5 Trainorama 44 class), you can get one going the way you want it, save the data in Decoderpro, then systematically re-program the other locos with that same data (except for the loco running number of course). It takes less time to do all that than it has taken me to type all this!!!

By the way, I am NOT any sort of computer geek and still struggle with some simple computer tasks.....but Decoderpro is great AND free (although they do seek donations; which I was pleased to provide $20- recently).

Cheers

Roachie
Roachie

It does look quite useful, I've barely scratch the surface so far at the clubrooms.

I've got more than enough computers to have at the club, so I'm more than right there... Laughing

I really do need to sit down and just go through it properly, without distraction and see what it can do. And thanks for that, wasn't sure what should be tweaked without having actually done it myself.

Much easier to essentially do a copy/paste like you did with the 44 'template'. At least then, too, they'd all run the same in multi-loco lashups.

And after seeing what they do with it on one of the Croydon (I think!) layouts - IE: route setting, having the layout and switches on a big LCD TV etc, I was very impressed with the software and the layout itself of course!

Wolfpac
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
It does look quite useful, I've barely scratch the surface so far at the clubrooms.

I've got more than enough computers to have at the club, so I'm more than right there... Laughing

I really do need to sit down and just go through it properly, without distraction and see what it can do. And thanks for that, wasn't sure what should be tweaked without having actually done it myself.

Much easier to essentially do a copy/paste like you did with the 44 'template'. At least then, too, they'd all run the same in multi-loco lashups.

And after seeing what they do with it on one of the Croydon (I think!) layouts - IE: route setting, having the layout and switches on a big LCD TV etc, I was very impressed with the software and the layout itself of course!

Wolfpac
wolfpac

I must state that I have not gone any further with Decoderpro, other than setting the running attributes of my locos. I haven't got a clue about route setting etc.

One thing you need to be careful of is when various locos have different brand/s of decoders fitted. For example....most of my fleet have (my preferred) Tsunami decoders. However, I have 3x AD60 Garratts with QSI decoders and 3x Auscison 422 class with DCC Sound-equipped Loksound decoders.

For me, to date, getting the Loksound 422s to perform exactly the same way as the Trainorama and Austrains locos with their Tsunamis, has been a real challenge..... Not so much with regard to top speed (which I tend to set at around half of the locos' maximum), but with regard to getting them to take off from a stand still at precisely the same rate. This issue is compounded by the fact that the Decoderpro "pages" are slightly different for each various decoder brand.

However, I am persisting and will eventually get the 100% result; at the moment I'm about 95% happy.

Roachie.

PS: Sorry I have drifted this thread off-topic and will not post anymore on this thread.
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
Agree that Decoder Pro is basically a must for QSI decoders due to the multi-CV indexing strategy they use.  Programming another QSI decoder was the reason I first installed it actually.

I'll report back when I have the time to play with it, assuming I can make some improvements I like Smile.
  BM3801 Lobster

Location: Go Hard or Go Home!
Received my R today after 2 months on Lay-buy while I was in the USA. After a small teething problem with the pony truck I got the loco running very well RIGHT up to the point some of the running gear fell out. Upon inspection, it appeared that a piece of the running gear on the right hand side had not been connected up in the factory to the brace, was just hanging there and as a result pulled a cylinder rod out. Easy to put the cylinder rod back in but as I couldn't put the piece of running gear back in (no screw for that part, the piece used to hold it in was still intact, it just had never been connected up and there was no way to) I had to pack up the R to reduce the chance of any damage. Very disappointed as the loco ran beautifully and surprisingly pulled well and handled grades, but after a quick phone call to Eureka, Im heading back to the shop I purchased it in tomorrow to exchange the R with one of the other ones there, or if that fails send it to Eureka under warranty.

Anyone else had this problem? Or is mine a unique case and I just got unlucky?
  GKing Beginner

Hi all, I am new to this site & have had a little look for existing discussion on my problem, but haven't found any.  I apologise if it has been covered.

I tested my R class for the first time to find that the headlight on the front constantly flickers on & off when the loco is reversing.  It works fine when it is going forward.  I emailed Ron & the official word is that the headlight should be off in reverse.  What are you all finding out there?  I guess if it is meant to be either on or off, it should not be flickering.  Ron just said it might be a loose wire.  Is it difficult to get into where such wiring is to check this?!

Thanks Smile
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Hi all, I am new to this site & have had a little look for existing discussion on my problem, but haven't found any. I apologise if it has been covered.

I tested my R class for the first time to find that the headlight on the front constantly flickers on & off when the loco is reversing. It works fine when it is going forward. I emailed Ron & the official word is that the headlight should be off in reverse. What are you all finding out there? I guess if it is meant to be either on or off, it should not be flickering. Ron just said it might be a loose wire. Is it difficult to get into where such wiring is to check this?!

Thanks Smile
GKing

Is your R a DC or DCC/sound version? If DCC are you using it on DC or DCC?
  GKing Beginner

Is your R a DC or DCC/sound version? If DCC are you using it on DC or DCC?
Poath Junction

Not a sound version, tested on DC
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Sounds most like a pick up issue, clean the wheels and trackage.
  GKing Beginner

Sounds most like a pick up issue, clean the wheels and trackage.
Aaron

I don't think so... it ran perfect at slowest speed forward and backward along the same length of track, and the light was on with no flickering in the forward direction.  Ron says the light should be off in reverse, so I don't think bad track or pickup would make it come on when it is meant to actually be off.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don't think so... it ran perfect at slowest speed forward and backward along the same length of track, and the light was on with no flickering in the forward direction.  Ron says the light should be off in reverse, so I don't think bad track or pickup would make it come on when it is meant to actually be off.
"GKing"
You might then need to read what BEMF is and what it does, specifically to unlit LEDs.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
You might then need to read what BEMF is and what it does, specifically to unlit LEDs.
Aaron

Yes what Aaron says is true a LED connected as a headlight will work perfectly in the forward movement but in reverse it will flicker because of the back EMF generated by the motor, it is irritating to say the least, but most locomotives ready to run have a light circuit in it that filters it out to stop this problem sounds like this is a case of the Chinese cheapening it up a bit more and not including the circuit for the lights.

It will not matter what you clean if this is the problem, it is just a thing that happens although it shouldn't though.

Just while we are on this subject would a higher value resistor on the LED lead cure this problem. I have one or two locomotives that do this most are home made installations though.

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