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      Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Richmond Vic
    I'd say it's more to do with the high acceleration and braking force needed to maintain the timetable. Two N's would get away a lot quicker than 1 N. Just a though
    "G41"
    I suggest that the difference would be measured in seconds.
    Posted: 28 Dec 2013 16:43

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      Donald Chief Commissioner

    Location: Donald. Duck country.
    G536/P20/A71 back at Donald loading their grainy again.
    Posted: 28 Dec 2013 18:28
      EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

    Location: On my office roof.
    G and S on up BG container train through Broadford at 22:45 tonight. Must be the Qube Deni.
    Posted: 30 Dec 2013 22:47
      LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

    Location: Not in Victoria
    G and S on up BG container train through Broadford at 22:45 tonight. Must be the Qube Deni.
    EFB5800
    Twas the Deni Freight, 9372 with G515, S303 and T395 hanging on for dear life at the rear of the train.
    Posted: 31 Dec 2013 11:32
      ab123 Chief Train Controller

    Are you seriously telling me that a 2500 HP locomotive can't maintain the timetable with more than 5 cars along a track that's as flat as a nightman's hat? If so, either the timetable is wrongly worked out, or the N class is a dud.
    Valvegear

    Well it wouldn't be able to maintain a timetable if it is hauling more than it is timetabled to, could it?

    Hate to break it to you, but its two Ns to maintain the timetable with the larger load
    Posted: 31 Dec 2013 12:05
      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    Well it wouldn't be able to maintain a timetable if it is hauling more than it is timetabled to, could it?

    Hate to break it to you, but its two Ns to maintain the timetable with the larger load
    ab123
    Added the drain of 8 cars on the HEP.....
    Posted: 31 Dec 2013 14:42
      Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Richmond Vic
    Hate to break it to you, but its two Ns to maintain the timetable with the larger load
    ab123

    2500 HP can't handle about 400 tonnes on time ? Sounds like a load of old seaweed to me.

    Added the drain of 8 cars on the HEP.....
    "speedemon8"
    Why is the HEP so small?

    If the two statements above are correct, God preserve us if we ever get people who can plan and design efficient trains and timetables; the shock will kill us all.

    But; someone has to be kidding. In the latter days of the broad gauge Overland, I have seen a single N on a 10 vehicle load, and that up Ingliston to boot.
    Posted: 31 Dec 2013 17:07

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      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    Why is the HEP so small?

    If the two statements above are correct, God preserve us if we ever get people who can plan and design efficient trains and timetables; the shock will kill us all.

    But; someone has to be kidding. In the latter days of the broad gauge Overland, I have seen a single N on a 10 vehicle load, and that up Ingliston to boot.
    Valvegear
    If I recall right the HEP on it only supply so many carriages. I'm pretty sure 8 couldn't be done with one N.

    Also on the Overland they towed round a PCJ, as found on the Albury carriage sets now.

    Besides, when the N classes and N sets were introduced I don't think forward planning was involved with the build up into 5 car sets.
    Posted: 31 Dec 2013 17:16
      EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

    Location: On my office roof.
    G515, S303, 29 wagons, T395 on the up Deni, through Broadford at 23:20. Down Aurizon LDPs finally through at 23:35.
    Posted: 31 Dec 2013 23:35
      Loco Administrator Railpage 2 Developer

    Location: Banned
    C501 ventured towards Melbourne yesterday, after a few days of shutdown of the Standard Gauge line.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/lc501/11682949005/



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdaoxSEA5VI

    Enjoy.
    Posted: 01 Jan 2014 21:34
      Contrillion Junior Train Controller

    Location: Geelong, Victoria
    I've noticed two seperate V/Locity sets through Gheringhap Loop so far today, transfer from Ballarat?
    Posted: 02 Jan 2014 14:09
      Loco Administrator Railpage 2 Developer

    Location: Banned
    Went for something different with this capture, as 7MC2 passed by Schoolhouse Lane near Tallarook VIC.

    NR75, NR40 and DL44 from 23/11/2013.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/lc501/11706718225/
    Posted: 02 Jan 2014 23:31
      YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
    Acceleration may well be better but how is the braking better with two engines. One would think that it would be worse even if immeasurably so given that locos traditionally brake worse than vehicles?
    A question for the brake engineers.
    Posted: 02 Jan 2014 23:53
      Clarke Hudswell Junior Train Controller

    Acceleration may well be better but how is the braking better with two engines. One would think that it would be worse even if immeasurably so given that locos traditionally brake worse than vehicles?
    A question for the brake engineers.
    YM-Mundrabilla

    VLine pass cars have a brake percentage of around 100 and diesel locomotives about 60 (both are given in cast iron block equivalent figures). The brake % of any train can be calculated when the consist is known by adding individual weights and brake %s and doing the maths, but it can be seen that adding locomotives will reduce the overall train brake % and thus brake performance.

    That said, timetables should not be set (they weren't in my day) using full service applications of the brake. About half to 3/4 of a full application should be used to set a timetable. So adding locomotives and reducing brake performance should not affect the ability to met a timetable because of the margin built in to the timetable.

    With diesel locomotives, there is little that can be done to make up time unless there is a bit of slack in the timetable. About all you can do is to brake later and harder and you might pick up a couple of minutes over the journey.
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 00:53
      stuie83 Train Controller
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 09:47
      EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

    Location: On my office roof.
    03/01/2013 North bound Qube at Broadford. CF4409, CF4410, 8049. It had one lonely SQEY wagon at the rear.

    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 16:07
      EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

    Location: On my office roof.
    There have been 2 up broad gauge trains in a row through Broadford today, with pull-push power. The up PN Tocumwal? freight at around 19:30 had XR550 and XR559 leading, and G539 at the rear. Then the up QUBE Deni had the usual G and S leading, plus T at the rear.

    cheers, Matt.
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 23:04
      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia


    black caviar leads qube today
    Posted: 08 Jan 2014 13:19
      Dd893 Train Controller

    Location: Castlemaine
    Around 6:30 tonight, push/pull P's with a Harris set arrived into Castlemaine from Kyneton.  After about 15 mins they headed back south. I gather they are running a shakedown trip after track work during the shutdown.

    Cheers, Murray
    Posted: 09 Jan 2014 21:51
      Loco Administrator Railpage 2 Developer

    Location: Banned
    One shot from me taken yesterday near the former Mathiesons Siding between Wandong and Kilmore East.

    6MC1 QUBE's Harefield service with CF4412 and CF4411.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/lc501/11868907583/
    Posted: 11 Jan 2014 15:35
      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    [img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3722/11898722784_cee65014f0_z.jpg[/img]


    7MC1 on Saturday at Heathcote Junction @ about 3pm.
    Posted: 12 Jan 2014 18:56
      Galron Chief Commissioner

    Location: Werribee, Vic
    81xx-93xx light engine on the down at werribee 1745. Either a test or rescue movement at a guess.
    Posted: 13 Jan 2014 18:04
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    A 93 class ran the AM8 Overland service from Adelaide. Through Gheringhap at 09:57 today. Is this the first timer the overland has been hauled by a 93 class?  Was 9313
    Posted: 14 Jan 2014 11:29
      speedemon08 Mary

    Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
    A 93 class ran the AM8 Overland service from Adelaide. Through Gheringhap at 09:57 today. Is this the first timer the overland has been hauled by a 93 class? Was 9313
    bevans

    9310 has done it before in September 2013.
    Posted: 14 Jan 2014 11:53
      Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

    Owing to a mistook at Metrol, N466 and 5 cars got stuck at North Melbourne platform 1 this morning and ran via the Northern Underground Loop and platform 4 at Flinders Street back to Spencer Street. (Oops, Southern Cross)
    Posted: 14 Jan 2014 14:02

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