Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If electrons are being conveyed all the way to ARS why last night was there a need to TOW 4002 back to  Seaford? Clearly electrons are not being conveyed and that at this point makes me feel a whole lot better.
"Aaron"
You aren't the only one thinking that:

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  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

I think it all depends on the speed they train the drivers for electric trains if we get it next month or not. From my understanding no drivers have been trained for driving the electric trains yet despite someone here mentioning very limited driver training has begun. At the moment I believe only the trainers responsible for training the drivers have been trained. The reason they are so far behind in training the drivers is because of the obvious lack of electric trains. The engineers have to put every electric train through the tests only then they are fit for the train drivers to begin training under them. At the moment I doubt any of the railcars apart from 4001 and 4002 have reached the requirements to begin driver training with.

I feel sorry for the train drivers who live in the northern suburbs because they will be required to drive all the way from Gawler to Seaford to do their electric train tests when its their time to begin their training.
Milkomeda


Driver training has been slow yes, but driver training is occurring and there are more drivers trained than just "the trainers". So your understanding is incorrect. Furthermore, how could 4002 be used for driver training since it has spent the last few months being reworked at Dry Creek Depot, and only last night made its way back to Seaford?

In any instance, you will find 4001 and 4003 have been doing the rounds, with 4004 joining them... 4001 will return to Dry Creek Depot for reworking, and 4002 will join the pool at Seaford. 4005 is being delivered as we speak.

In relation to your comment "The engineers have to put every electric train through the tests only then are they fit for train drivers to being training under them". On what basis do you make that comment? Let me put it to you this way, WHO do you suppose drives said trains through their testing? Thats right, Suburban Train Drivers do... and funny enough, its a great opportunity to have Drivers learn on them because it helps with fault finding, but it kills two birds with one stone.

I would suggest given the vast inaccuracies in this comment, whoever you have been listening to, you stop because they are wrong.

As has been mentioned, it is unlikely that Dry Creek and Gawler Drivers will be forced to travel to Seaford for the 5 days of training in their own time. From how it stands, its likely that the Northern drivers will book on/off @ Adelaide Station, then travel via train to Seaford Meadows Station (ie Northern Drivers training wont start until the line opens to Seaford more than likely)
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
You aren't the only one thinking that:

justapassenger

I can assure folks that the necessary electrical measures to permit safe working on the overhead were still very evident at various locations N of Brighton yesterday.

Alex C
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
The term "LIVE" in the case of the overheads is that they are deemed live although not actually connected to the power. This means that there is a possibility of the overheads becoming live if someone closes a circuit breaker or three. To work on or near the overheads now that it has been deemed "LIVE" means that all work personnel have to go through certain prescribed safety lockout procedures before entering the rail corridor. "LIVE" does not necessarily mean that there is a connection to power, just that everyone should treat it as though it will brighten up your day if you play with it.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

I stand corrected.

Were they doing driver training today on the electrics? I saw alot of electric train runs being done to Brighton and back today and I saw at least half a dozen drivers at Brighton as if they were waiting for an electric train to arrive.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

I stand corrected.

Were they doing driver training today on the electrics? I saw alot of electric train runs being done to Brighton and back today and I saw at least half a dozen drivers at Brighton as if they were waiting for an electric train to arrive.
Milkomeda


Yes they were, driver training was occurring today.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The term "LIVE" in the case of the overheads is that they are deemed live although not actually connected to the power. This means that there is a possibility of the overheads becoming live if someone closes a circuit breaker or three. To work on or near the overheads now that it has been deemed "LIVE" means that all work personnel have to go through certain prescribed safety lockout procedures before entering the rail corridor. "LIVE" does not necessarily mean that there is a connection to power, just that everyone should treat it as though it will brighten up your day if you play with it.
nm39

NM39. That is a very good answer. Considering the Overhead LIVE has three purposes.
1/ It provides a good milestone both commercially and psychologically
2/ It gets crews familiar with LIVE equipment working, safety and lockout etc.
3/ It gives the minister something to make a statement about.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
You aren't the only one thinking that:

"justapassenger"
Several times I have wondered if you are the person attached to that FB profile.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Several times I have wondered if you are the person attached to that FB profile.
"Aaron"
No.

My Facebook profile gets used on private pages only.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

No, that would be my Facebook profile.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
I went down to Noarlunga yesterday to see how the electrification is going and I noticed the following:

1) All wiring is complete.
2) The Tonsley branch duplication is progressing well although the dual track has not been connected at the Tonsley Junction.
3) Wayville station still needs work done to it.

Also I noticed that the entire line is concrete sleepered between Adelaide and Oakland's and Warradale to Noarlunga and beyond but a small section between Oakland's and Warradale is still timber sleepers and the current location of the lines only TSR.
does anyone happen to know why this 500m of line happened to miss out?
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Firstly, not Albert Park, you mean Tonsley Junction. Diesel services are expected to resume soon, and driver training even soon. Electrification will still be taking place whilst trains aren't running (Nights and Weekends).

There are some minor things still pending to complete, although hot rumours are suggesting testing right through will occur this weekend with a spark. But like any rumour, treat it as such.

The wooden sleepers are there due to the flux state of the Oaklands Overpass.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

There still seemed to be some HV cabling to do at Tonsley Junction this morning.

Fencing was underway at Marion road.

One of my pet bonding and isolation problems has been resolved, well kind of.

Personally I hope they do get an EMU through to Adelaide. Politically that is another issue.

Heath you really should read through a line of discussion before asking questions.

Ian
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
I travelled the length of the line on Tuesday.

The impression I gained was the overhead was substantially finished the whole distance but there was some tinkering going on between Clarence Park and Emerson and I think around Keswick.

The "EMUs must not pass this point" signs were still attached to the absolute signals at the up end of Brighton.

Contrary to a previous post the Lonsdale yard is wired.

A couple of fellows in a cherry-picker were attending to the terminal pole at Tonsley - to me it seemed a little odd  to be offset rather than centred on the track but I guess they know what they are about.

A question arose in my mind:  DPTI can clearly, and apparently should, earth line-side fences, etc, that belong to DPTI.    Does this extend to fences erected by the line-side property owners, or does being a certain distance from the overhead centre line suffice?

And Adelaide Showgrounds station seems to be less finished that before Smile.   There seems to be a lot of work to be done there.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
There still seemed to be some HV cabling to do at Tonsley Junction this morning.

Fencing was underway at Marion road.

One of my pet bonding and isolation problems has been resolved, well kind of.

Personally I hope they do get an EMU through to Adelaide. Politically that is another issue.

Heath you really should read through a line of discussion before asking questions.

Ian
steam4ian

Ian,
Work was going on in the section cabin compound at Tonsley Junc this afternoon.  N of the junction the HV feeds to the cabin have been attached to the overhead from Seaford but not to the city.  At the Raglan Ave booster transformer a similar arragement is also evident.

Fencing at Hove Stn remains to be done and your favourite tiger tails are still in place at Brighton Rd.

Road HV warning signs have appeared at Sixth, Raglan, Delaine and Cross Rd level crossings.

Alex C
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Neil

As a rule of thumb any infrastructure within about 4 metres from the track centre line has to be bonded to the rail or traction return earth (TRE). Most other including private line-side infrastructure must be at a distance of 2.5 metres from any metal work connected to the rail or TRE.

You will notice that where metallic infrastructure meets which is connected to different earthing systems there are isolation panels involving various combinations of wooden fence posts or wooden panels.

The whole question of what to bond to which system and how to isolate systems is quite vexing.

Ian
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Alex

Thanks for the report.

It would seem that an EMU run to ARS this weekend is most unlikely.

Ian
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Alex

Thanks for the report.

It would seem that an EMU run to ARS this weekend is most unlikely.

Ian
steam4ian

I'm wondering whether a partial energisation from Hove to the T Jn switching cabin may be a possibility.

Rod Hook when interviewed on ABC Breakfast on Jan 8 spoke of end of Jan for test train to ARS.

Alex C
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Only advantage of the delays to completing the wiring, is the slower members of the community have more time to hear about the wires going live before it actually happens. That was obviously part of the plan anyway, just the heatwave has extended the gap period even more.

At the end of the day this government have done something none of the previous ones did, actually electrify a railway in Adelaide.
For this they should be congratulated, a few months of delays after decades of stalling does not matter in the grand scheme of things, the end result is what matters.

No half measures or support poles made into scrap metal this time. For all their complaining, I've yet to hear a single word from the Liberal Party that indicates they intend to expand the electrification to other lines, for shame.

Here's a news story from 1926 for one Electrification Scheme, which didn't happen.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/58523432
I'm sure a little digging around online will turn up a number of other schemes that never reach the critical point of having everything in place at the same time.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

At the end of the day this government have done something none of the previous ones did, actually electrify a railway in Adelaide.
For this they should be congratulated, a few months of delays after decades of stalling does not matter in the grand scheme of things, the end result is what matters.

No half measures or support poles made into scrap metal this time. For all their complaining, I've yet to hear a single word from the Liberal Party that indicates they intend to expand the electrification to other lines, for shame.

"fabricator"


Well said
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Rail bonding and earthing being conducted (slowly) at Emerson. Surely to be an interesting task if the system was indeed energised.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Fabricator.

All must laud the present government for getting the electrification happening after so many years.

Unfortunately this and a number of other projects were commenced on the assumption that the state could milk royalties from Olympic Dam and other mining enterprises. For some reason BHP Billiton decided they did not want to be SA's cash cow.

As was voiced on a comic clip linked from this site "Vy build ze Southern Expressway and the rail electrification at ze same time?". That is a good question because one competes against the other, surely the upgraded and electrified rail would need to go first so commuters et al were wooed from their cars. Now the Govt is getting flack for not having express trans which are faster than the present drive, how much faster will the new express way be?

The criticisms which could be levelled at the present government are:-
>Spending more money than the state can afford.
>Doing too many projects at once when the state had not had time to build up engineering resources and establish competent project management teams.
>Not staggering the projects so that each could gain maximum benefit.

It is now reliably reported (not just the Advertiser but even the ABC) that state debt is approaching State bank levels at a time when the states ability to pay is contracting.
Which ever party wins government in the forthcoming election they will have to undertake belt tightening of drastic proportions.
Whilst the liberals probably will not spend anything, no electrification extensions, Liberal governments do have a good record for getting this state out of financial holes.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Some might say that the Liberal's ability to get the state out of a hole is surpassed only by Labor's skill at dumping us in one...
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

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  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

How will the Liberals do it next time around when there won't be anything left to sell off overseas after the fire sale of 1993-2002?

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justapassenger

Very droll. LOL

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