Observations (Transperth, A & B series)

 
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

A 6car A series is operating on the Joondalup line currently doing a shuttle to Cockburn Central, it may go down to Rockingham & Mandurah, sets currently unknown

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  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
A 6car A series is operating on the Joondalup line currently doing a shuttle to Cockburn Central, it may go down to Rockingham & Mandurah, sets currently unknown
thewaratahtrain
Aren't there enough B sets to form a 6 car consist?
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Probably not, high capacity B set 095 is out though haven't seen 096.
  sydnytrains Chief Commissioner

Location: McDonalds Front counter serving customers
Spotted 95 yesterday at Cockburn Central. I noticed on the top of the drivers cabin window, instead of 595, it said 5095. And so forth. I didn't see what set it was attached too however, as I was on my way from the city to Rockingham to commence my evening shift at McD's.

What I did notice is that the interior (could be wrong, as I have poor eyesight and the sun was shining in my face) is quite similar to the A series sets; seats facing the windows and handrails coming from the ceiling, when looking at 5095.
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Yes all the new third generation B series railcars have perimeter (subway style) seating basically to cram more commuters in like sardines instead of ordering the correct amount of B series required for the Joondalup & Mandurah lines the 22 that are currently being delivered is still not enough, the older first and second generation B sets will be receive the same treatment, at least an additional 20 3car sets are required for the lines, A sets 032 & 038 have been re-entered revenue service saw 032 haunting the Thornlie line yesterday and took a ride on 038 to Fremantle and back the other day she has a nice shiny new red panto
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Also B set 097 has been transferred to Nowergup DAZ 1901 did the transfer.
  sydnytrains Chief Commissioner

Location: McDonalds Front counter serving customers
Yes all the new third generation B series railcars have perimeter (subway style) seating basically to cram more commuters in like sardines instead of ordering the correct amount of B series required for the Joondalup & Mandurah lines the 22 that are currently being delivered is still not enough, the older first and second generation B sets will be receive the same treatment, at least an additional 20 3car sets are required for the lines, A sets 032 & 038 have been re-entered revenue service saw 032 haunting the Thornlie line yesterday and took a ride on 038 to Fremantle and back the other day she has a nice shiny new red panto
"thewaratahtrain"


Thanks. Smile I must say though, when travelling on an A series set, it is a bit funny and creepy at the same time when you're facing each other. When I go on my gunzelling adventures on A series territory, I'm known for standing up. I get very anxious sitting down in those sets in fear that someone is staring at me. :S
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Thanks. Smile I must say though, when travelling on an A series set, it is a bit funny and creepy at the same time when you're facing each other. When I go on my gunzelling adventures on A series territory, I'm known for standing up. I get very anxious sitting down in those sets in fear that someone is staring at me. :S
"sydnytrains"


I usually sit near the Gangway doors on the A series, and stare out the window, it's like being in Tokyo so to speak, ten of the first gen B sets have subway seating in their middle carriage.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Noticed a very unusual Australind Working today whist at Oats Steet Station.

All 3 Drivers Cars were attached, and 1 normal non driving car, forming a 4 car set heading towards Perth. I was too late to get a photo unfortunatly. I thought they were going to drop the extra driviers car off at Perth, but the train returned to Bunbury with the extra drivers car still attached.
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
The second 3rd-gen B Series (presumably 096) is now in service: http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/pages/StatementDetails.aspx?listName=StatementsBarnett&StatId=8089
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

The second 3rd-gen B Series (presumably 096) is now in service: http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/pages/StatementDetails.aspx?listName=StatementsBarnett&StatId=8089
"Mouse"


Thanks Mouse hopefully I'll get to see it out tomorrow.
  aerostar Station Staff

The second 3rd-gen B Series (presumably 096) is now in service: http://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.au/pages/StatementDetails.aspx?listName=StatementsBarnett&StatId=8089
Mouse


Yes, Set 96 couple to 95 for a run of 6 cars set in the morning, she ran beautifully though, a few comms issue but computer took care of it (Impress).  Beside that no problem at all, good and quiet acceleration.
  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
Yes, Set 96 couple to 95 for a run of 6 cars set in the morning, she ran beautifully though, a few comms issue but computer took care of it (Impress). Beside that no problem at all, good and quiet acceleration.
aerostar

Computers nowadays are getting rather impressive as to what they can do. I am VERY happy with how the B series performs and it is a huge upgrade compared to the A series. The problem with that is that rather than being like upgrading from the original iPhone to the Samsung Galaxy S4 the C series will be like upgrading from an iPhone 5 to the iPhone 5C
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Yes, Set 96 couple to 95 for a run of 6 cars set in the morning, she ran beautifully though, a few comms issue but computer took care of it (Impress).  Beside that no problem at all, good and quiet acceleration.
"aerostar"



Nice didn't think their would be any major issues, would have been interesting to see how it all went, B set 095's a bit squeaky though near the gangway.
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

This is what B series 80 set 095 sounds like after its first  7-8 weeks of revenue service, little disappointing.



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l2E6Xc_DULo
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

I've been out of Perth for a few days. As these are extra sets, the minister claims they can carry extra passengers and the timetable hasn't changed, which 3 car trains are now 6 car trains? (trying hard to stop myself from laughing)
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Yes northmetro these are the new third generation B series trains can carry up to 600 passengers, two third generation 3car B series trains are in service bringing the amount of B series trains in service equal to the amount of A series in service, the third generation sets have a reduced perimeter seating layout in all 3 carriages, above is a video of B set 095 I recorded and uploaded to Youtube sounding like something else.
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

Yes northmetro these are the new third generation B series trains can carry up to 600 passengers, two third generation 3car B series trains are in service bringing the amount of B series trains in service equal to the amount of A series in service, the third generation sets have a reduced perimeter seating layout in all 3 carriages, above is a video of B set 095 I recorded and uploaded to Youtube sounding like something else.
thewaratahtrain

You missed my point -

More rolling stock
Unchanged schedules on all lines
Claim by minister that there is a capacity increase

SO WHICH TRAINS IN THE EXISTING TIMETABLE ARE LONGER?

If none, then the press release is a load of s**t. There are just two more sets sitting in the depot.
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

I still don't think there's enough third generation sets to really notice a difference only two are in service, TransPerth have been a bit funny with the timetables lately especially with updating them.
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

I still don't think there's enough third generation sets to really notice a difference only two are in service, TransPerth have been a bit funny with the timetables lately especially with updating them.
thewaratahtrain

You would notice a difference if it's a train you regularly travel on. I don't use it that often but 0803 from Clarkson on a school day is in serious need of 6 cars.
  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
You would notice a difference if it's a train you regularly travel on. I don't use it that often but 0803 from Clarkson on a school day is in serious need of 6 cars.
Northmetro

ANY train on ANY line between 7:30 and 10:00 am and 2:00 and 4:30 pm is in serious need of four/six cars
  Greenwood Station Beginner

Location: Perth
You missed my point -

More rolling stock
Unchanged schedules on all lines
Claim by minister that there is a capacity increase

SO WHICH TRAINS IN THE EXISTING TIMETABLE ARE LONGER?

If none, then the press release is a load of s**t. There are just two more sets sitting in the depot.
Northmetro

There's been no change to railcars running up and down the Joondalup line. The same number of 4-car sets are still running. In fact, there has been one less 3 car set this week. The 7.48am on Monday and 8.48am today out of Greenwood were 3-car sets rather than 6. So where the increased capacity lies is a mystery. All of the crammed 3-cars are still the same.
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

It would help if all three generations of B series 80 were compatible with each other
31 3car first generation sets
15 3car second generation sets
22 high capacity 600 passenger 3car third generation sets (600 3car 1200 6car)

The first & second sets need to be upgraded to work with the new third generation sets which have more longitudinal subway style seating which can carry 600 commuters there's your extra capacity, we have an odd number of first & second B series 80, the first generation sets are nearly to due for a midlife overhaul/refurb anyway

The first generation sets have a computer, CCTV and passenger information system that's different to a second generation set, a second generation set is different to a third generation set, mechanically they're the same but electronically they're different can only be coupled for emergency towing



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q210WttZxp0
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Also I honestly doubt the PTA will rewrite the timetable to pencil in one additional 6car set only for it to be changed 11-12 months down the track, if my calculations are correct if the Butler extension opens in December we should have 5 of the third generation B series 80 in service if they enter service every 2 months
  Northmetro Junior Train Controller

Also I honestly doubt the PTA will rewrite the timetable to pencil in one additional 6car set only for it to be changed 11-12 months down the track, if my calculations are correct if the Butler extension opens in December we should have 5 of the third generation B series 80 in service if they enter service every 2 months
thewaratahtrain

Probably the more likely explanation - it will need 4 x 3 car sets just to extend the current timetable from Clarkson to Butler, so it's probably not a good plan to have trains upgraded to 6 cars that can't be sustained after Butler opens.

So we should be looking for some longer trains once the 5th set arrives (unless of course they start moving the A sets back on to the other lines first)

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