Armed holdup at RAAF base

 
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
"Police are on the hunt for a woman who robbed a bank on the grounds of an RAAF base in Richmond, NSW, forcing the base into lockdown.
The robbery occurred around 3.30pm on Friday at one of Australia's largest military bases, about 50km northwest of Sydney's CBD.
The base, home to an intelligence unit and the C-130 Hercules squadron, is protected by a private security firm."

Brilliant ! A supposedly secure and well guarded RAAF base allows a gun-toting woman inside to do a robbery. So much for security.

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  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Actually, I have a nagging feeling of deja vu about this. Didn't someone carrying arms get onto either the same base or another in the Sydney area a while ago? And again it was a private company handling security.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Actually, I have a nagging feeling of deja vu about this. Didn't someone carrying arms get onto either the same base or another in the Sydney area a while ago? And again it was a private company handling security.
"TheBlacksmith"
I thought it was a naval base in NT, didn't they get some ordinance too?

The woman in question is most likely a civilian, we don't generally expect our defence forces to be armed against civilians.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Actually, I have a nagging feeling of deja vu about this. Didn't someone carrying arms get onto either the same base or another in the Sydney area a while ago? And again it was a private company handling security.
"TheBlacksmith'

I think it could be Holsworthy Army base you have in mind. There was a thwarted plot to go in and create murder and mayhem.

(P.S. If anyone can edit the thread name it should, of course, be Armed. I tried and failed )
  allambee Chief Train Controller

I thought it was a naval base in NT, didn't they get some ordinance too?

The woman in question is most likely a civilian, we don't generally expect our defence forces to be armed against civilians.
Aaron

What don't they have a sand bagged guardhouse and guards armed with 303's + bayonets at the entrance of the base?

Seriously, when I worked at the Island some years ago, I knew a co-worker who had Mickey Mouse stuck over his photo ID for some months, and they let him in each day for work. That was back in the days of Naval Police manning the gates. Military police or private security, defense base security has always been easy to get through if you are game.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
(P.S. If anyone can edit the thread name it should, of course, be Armed. I tried and failed )
Valvegear

You should be able to do it by editing the opening post.  (Ninja mod - done.)
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
And again it was a private company handling security.
TheBlacksmith

I'm sure the executives of that company trained and studied hard to get a better paying job and are entitled to every penny they get for doing such sterling work Razz
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I'm sure the executives of that company trained and studied hard to get a better paying job and are entitled to every penny they get for doing such sterling work Razz
"bingley hall"
They probably are doing some sterling work, it's the deservingly low paid grunts on the gate that let her in, but we can't sack them because the union says first they must be trained to not let armed robbers onto base, and have a pay increase because presently they're not paid to be vigilant for such occurrences...
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I'm sure the executives of that company trained and studied hard to get a better paying job and are entitled to every penny they get for doing such sterling work Razz
bingley hall

What a sterling contribution to the discussion, up to your usual standard.

I'm surprised you are still here. Did you miss the flight back home with those other pommy rejects the English Cricket Team?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
They probably are doing some sterling work.....
Aaron

I am sure they studied hard using the [b]G4S text book on integrity[/b] as their bible. Whether it would be up to TheBlacksmith's standard or not remains uncertain.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
So they search people and cars upon entry to these bases do they??


What other jokes are we being offerred today. I liked this one......

Regards

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Security at some Government institutions has been a joke. Years ago, I used to call at the Explosives Factory in Maribyrnong. On the way in, I handed in the car's cigarette lighter and my pager ( pre mobile phone ). The guard rang the bloke I was coming to see, and I drove off. After finishing my call, I could have gone anywhere. I knew my way around, I knew where the RDX was stored, I knew where the detonators etc were kept, and so on. When leaving, I had the lighter and pager returned, and not once was the car boot checked.
As a contrast, when leaving the Cadbury factory in Ringwood, the car was searched. I'd have been pinged for pinching a case of Cherry Ripes from one place, and would have got away with a tidy amount of high explosive from the other. It seems that not much has changed.
The best security has always been at non-government businesses.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Security at some Government institutions has been a joke. Years ago, I used to call at the Explosives Factory in Maribyrnong. On the way in, I handed in the car's cigarette lighter and my pager ( pre mobile phone ). The guard rang the bloke I was coming to see, and I drove off. After finishing my call, I could have gone anywhere. I knew my way around, I knew where the RDX was stored, I knew where the detonators etc were kept, and so on. When leaving, I had the lighter and pager returned, and not once was the car boot checked.
As a contrast, when leaving the Cadbury factory in Ringwood, the car was searched. I'd have been pinged for pinching a case of Cherry Ripes from one place, and would have got away with a tidy amount of high explosive from the other. It seems that not much has changed.
The best security has always been at non-government businesses.
Valvegear

I could do with a case of RDX, can you get me some? Already got my own dets.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Security at some Government institutions has been a joke. Years ago, I used to call at the Explosives Factory in Maribyrnong. On the way in, I handed in the car's cigarette lighter and my pager ( pre mobile phone ). The guard rang the bloke I was coming to see, and I drove off. After finishing my call, I could have gone anywhere. I knew my way around, I knew where the RDX was stored, I knew where the detonators etc were kept, and so on. When leaving, I had the lighter and pager returned, and not once was the car boot checked.
As a contrast, when leaving the Cadbury factory in Ringwood, the car was searched. I'd have been pinged for pinching a case of Cherry Ripes from one place, and would have got away with a tidy amount of high explosive from the other. It seems that not much has changed.
The best security has always been at non-government businesses.
Valvegear

However, at the end of your visit, Maribyrnong (both the Ammunition Factory and the surrounding houses) were still there.
The Commonwealth were subsequently able to sell the place off for housing.

Had somebody unthinkingly lit a cigarette or had a pager ring at a critical time there may have been a blinding flash and a very large hole.

It wasn't just the security. I remember sitting in long boring meetings about the wholly misconceived MK AN3 ammunition fuse and how if only one dud at Port Wakefield were reclassified as a non fuse failure the design could be accepted for production....

The neighboring Footscray Ordnance Factory also took days of my life I won't get back.

But people in search of expanding fish bait, the means of removing a stump or even non key access to the local bank would probably have been considered a lesser risk in pre terrorist days.

M636C
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Yeah, you used to be able to walk into a feed store in the country once and buy gelignite without anyone batting an eyelid, now it is impossible. Spoiled a lot of my fun....
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Make yourself some TNT. It's not difficult to make and is quite stable. A bloke in my Organic Chemistry class at Swinburne Tech umpteen years ago used the Lab there to make some ( without official sanction, be it noted ). He took it away, blew a tree stump out of the ground and returned feeling very chuffed.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Make yourself some TNT. It's not difficult to make and is quite stable. A bloke in my Organic Chemistry class at Swinburne Tech umpteen years ago used the Lab there to make some ( without official sanction, be it noted ). He took it away, blew a tree stump out of the ground and returned feeling very chuffed.
Valvegear

Not an uncommon method of stump removal in the bush, Valve.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Not an uncommon method of stump removal in the bush, Valve.
"michaelgm"
Actually, TNT would be quite unorthodox, a slower explosive like ANFO (which is easier to obtain - or easy to make yourself, cheaper and safer than TNT) would be the go.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Actually, TNT would be quite unorthodox, a slower explosive like ANFO (which is easier to obtain - or easy to make yourself, cheaper and safer than TNT) would be the go.
Aaron

Not exactly sure of the explosive used, but the ones I,ve witnessed prove very effective.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Actually, TNT would be quite unorthodox, a slower explosive like ANFO (which is easier to obtain - or easy to make yourself, cheaper and safer than TNT) would be the go.
Aaron

All quite correct, but (a) we're talking about 1962, and (b) all the ingredients were on hand in the lab.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I have experienced two extremes of security at government sites:

Strictest was at the old Note Printing Branch in Victoria which was surrounded by a very high solid wall with, as I recall, equally high and very solid timber gates.


  • Front at gate and ring bell.

  • Peephole about 6 inches square (with bars in it I might add) - 'what do yah want'.

  • Credentials established in I go about 10 metres before first guard is relieved by a second 'jailer'.

  • Go from room to room unlocking and relocking doors as we proceed.

  • No wonder as we get to destination where there is a huge room full of pallets stacked with sheets of notes about a metre square and a metre high.



The other extreme was at Melbourne Goods where the car boot contained a heap of CR publicity material and a brand new CR wagon tarp. Goons wanted to argue about the publicity stuff and ignored the beaut new tarp completely.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
All quite correct, but (a) we're talking about 1962, and (b) all the ingredients were on hand in the lab.
"Valvegear"
Hey, regardless of the year, if you're not paying for the ingredients anything gets pretty cheap. I was commenting that I doubt many cockies would be using TNT (then or now) when ANFO was safer and cheaper than buying TNT.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
All quite correct, but (a) we're talking about 1962, and (b) all the ingredients were on hand in the lab.
Valvegear

You must be as old as me you old fart. I was at Swinny in 1962. And explosives were not the only dangerous things concocted there, how about 22 calibre pistols being knocked up in the machine shop. Better still how about female prefects being knocked up period!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You must be as old as me you old fart. I was at Swinny in 1962. And explosives were not the only dangerous things concocted there, how about 22 calibre pistols being knocked up in the machine shop.
TheBlacksmith

Cor; I thought I was the last of them.Very Happy

PM sent.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
PM sent.
Valvegear

Odd, none received.

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