Questions about Gisborne Railway station

 
  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

Why does the Bendigo Flagship service stop at Gisborne but not Kangaroo Flat?
What was the siding on the down end of Gisborne station used for?

Also I only noticed the other week but what was the siding at Malmsbury on the Calder hwy side of the station used for?

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Why does the Bendigo Flagship service stop at Gisborne but not Kangaroo Flat?
What was the siding on the down end of Gisborne station used for?

Also I only noticed the other week but what was the siding at Malmsbury on the Calder hwy side of the station used for?
beanzs27

When the RFR (Regional Fast Rail) timetable was being formulated in 2004/05, it was originally planned for the 'flagship' service to run express from Bendigo to North Melbourne.

The Castlemaine residents complained that they would not have a dedicated fast train service and consequently they would be relegated to second class commuter status due to having to stop at several other stations along the line.

Consequently due to pressure put on the then Bracks government it was decided to stop the flagship service at Castlemaine, then run express to North Melbourne.

In 2010 and the election of the Baillieu government the residents of Gisborne complained about a lack of high speed services during the commute hours and Minister Mulder added the Gisborne stop, and an extra VLocity carriage.

The siding on the downside of Gisborne WAS a refuge siding which was used for the temporary storage of defective rolling stock, separate to the tracks in the goods yard. It was disconnected during the RFR works. See Link.

http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/location/Gisborne

The siding at Malmsbury used to be part of the goods shed. See Link.

http://www.vicsig.net/infrastructure/location/Malmsbury

Thanks be to VicSig for the station diagrams..

Mike.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Can the adding of additional services between castlemaine and North Melbourne or Footscray still be accommodated or is the network now put of track capacity?
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

The siding at Gisborne is still connected.
Flagship service stop at Gisborne was also added to plug an hour-ish long gap between trains in the morning peak
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Can the adding of additional services between castlemaine and North Melbourne or Footscray still be accommodated or is the network now put of track capacity?
freightgate

Yes, it can be accommodated in peak direction.  The constriction of single track hurts if you want to run more counter-peak services.  So, if you add a new peak direction service to Castlemaine then you'd have to either stable it there somewhere, or gingerly run it back empty to Kyneton into the teeth of the outbound peak for overnight stabling - or possibly have it hang around at Castlemaine until after the peak.  Perhaps could use the VGR platform for stabling?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Yes I can also confirm the refuge siding at Gisborne is still connected. I beleive the guys from DERMPAV have used it a few times with their railmotor tours.

As for the link to the page at VICSIG, it says that the siding and hand operated crossover WILL be abolished after RFR works are complete, Someone obviously changed their mind. Furthermore, the same link shows a photo of DERM RM58 sitting in the same refuge siding as recently as 15 December 2012.
  beanzs27 Assistant Commissioner

If Gisborne is has an hour between trains then wouldn't Kyneton and Woodend be the same
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The issue with adding additional services to castlemaine which is a growing city is the single track between kyneton and castlemaine ?
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
The issue with adding additional services to castlemaine which is a growing city is the single track between kyneton and castlemaine ?
freightgate


Yes.  34km with one 7km crossing loop midway at Taradale.  Journey time is 18min express or 19min if stopping at Malmsbury, or up to 26min if running counter-peak with a cross at Taradale.

In evening peak, intervals between down trains are 75min, 63min, 19min, 44min, 36min, 37min, 38min.  In the opposite (counter peak) direction the intervals are 57min, 19min, 65min, 83min.

So, theoretical capacity is a train every 26 minutes each way.  Or probably double that in peak direction in the counter-peak gaps.

Of course theory aint practice - but even at 30 minutes apart in peak direction and 60 minutes apart in counter peak that's more than current.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Soon enough you'll be seeing a 9 Car Express Service that goes from Bendigo, Castlemaine & Southern Cross.
This is confirmed. Testing has begun and has been witnessed with my own eyes.
Getting extra services is one thing but getting extra capacity is where the money should be spent!
Why put extra services when you can lengthen a train?
Bendigo, Castlemaine and the new SC platforms 15 & 16 are all long enough the accommodate 9 cars.
  712M Chief Commissioner

I'm sure most passengers would prefer a 4 or 5 car train every half hour over a 9 car train every hour. Have a 3 car Vlocity commence from Kyneton around 0615 to plug the current hour gap for stations between there and Clarkefield and have the flagship stop at Kangaroo Flat instead of Gisborne.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

I'm sure most passengers would prefer a 4 or 5 car train every half hour over a 9 car train every hour. Have a 3 car Vlocity commence from Kyneton around 0615 to plug the current hour gap for stations between there and Clarkefield and have the flagship stop at Kangaroo Flat instead of Gisborne.
712M


They'll be peak hour expresses.. They wont be on every single express service..
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I'm sure most passengers would prefer a 4 or 5 car train every half hour over a 9 car train every hour. Have a 3 car Vlocity commence from Kyneton around 0615 to plug the current hour gap for stations between there and Clarkefield and have the flagship stop at Kangaroo Flat instead of Gisborne.
712M

Definitely. It should run back around 4:30ish to supplement the 4:54 flagship.

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