De-cabbed K sets

 
  Nick-The-Great Station Staff

Location: Sydney
Hi All,

The other day I was waiting for a train at Chatswood when I saw a K set roll in on another platform.  I noticed that some of the carriages were power cars with the cabs shut off or removed in a way similar to that of the old ComEng S set power cars.  I'm just wondering why this happened?  How did they end up with more power cars than there were carriages to go with?  Have some been scrapped?

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  Black1050 Chief Train Controller

Location: Out of the Metrop
Hi All,

The other day I was waiting for a train at Chatswood when I saw a K set roll in on another platform. I noticed that some of the carriages were power cars with the cabs shut off or removed in a way similar to that of the old ComEng S set power cars. I'm just wondering why this happened? How did they end up with more power cars than there were carriages to go with? Have some been scrapped?
Nick-The-Great


No, you did NOT see power cars with cabs shut off or removed.  What you saw were Trailer Cars which used to have (6 months ago) a full set of guards and drivers controls, so that they could operate as a 2 car K Set despite only having 1 motor car.  Seeing as they are no longer needed/used on the Newcastle Line, they have been converted to just trailer cars, and the 4 x 2 car K-Sets are now configured as 2 x 4 car K Sets.  

Thus there are NOT more power cars than trailers.
  M636C Minister for Railways

To be fair, the ex-driving trailers have pantographs and they look like power cars to people who don't know the technical details of K sets.

In fact, one of the first K set driving trailers was displayed at the Sydney Easter show with a caption saying it was a power car. At least there you could easily check underneath to see if it had motors, but it had a D40xx number anyway.

What are the two sets numbered?

The two car sets were K1 to K4.

I'd guess K1 and K2 but there might be other influences at work.

M636C
  FullSeries Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
To be fair, the ex-driving trailers have pantographs and they look like power cars to people who don't know the technical details of K sets.

In fact, one of the first K set driving trailers was displayed at the Sydney Easter show with a caption saying it was a power car. At least there you could easily check underneath to see if it had motors, but it had a D40xx number anyway.

What are the two sets numbered?

The two car sets were K1 to K4.

I'd guess K1 and K2 but there might be other influences at work.

M636C
M636C

I believe its K98/K99
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
I believe its K98/K99
FullSeries

Confirm. K98 being K1/K2, and K99 being K3/K4.
  Nick-The-Great Station Staff

Location: Sydney
... Wow. Did I ask at a bad time?

Thanks for the answer though!
  Black1050 Chief Train Controller

Location: Out of the Metrop
... Wow. Did I ask at a bad time?

Thanks for the answer though!
Nick-The-Great


Nope. You asked, and hopefully we've answered as informatively as possible and attempted to avoid any further confusion or mistaken identity.

All appears cool to me.
  Nick-The-Great Station Staff

Location: Sydney
Good stuff! I thought you were being angry with me!
  matthewg Train Controller

What you saw were Trailer Cars which used to have (6 months ago) a full set of guards and drivers controls, so that they could operate as a 2 car K Set despite only having 1 motor car. Seeing as they are no longer needed/used on the Newcastle Line, they have been converted to just trailer cars, and the 4 x 2 car K-Sets are now configured as 2 x 4 car K Sets.
Black1050

Was there any particular maintenance reason they needed the parts from the cabs or was their removal just shear bloody mindedness to ensure if any one gets the idea of running 2 car sets again, the idea will be quickly nixed when the quote for restoring those cabs comes in.
  Black1050 Chief Train Controller

Location: Out of the Metrop
Was there any particular maintenance reason they needed the parts from the cabs or was their removal just shear bloody mindedness to ensure if any one gets the idea of running 2 car sets again, the idea will be quickly nixed when the quote for restoring those cabs comes in.
matthewg


The answers to that are well above my pay grade, and I wouldn't offer any personal opinions...

The more cynical would suggest reasoning along the lines you've suggested...  It's crossed my mind...
  Highrise Assistant Commissioner

Was there any particular maintenance reason they needed the parts from the cabs or was their removal just shear bloody mindedness to ensure if any one gets the idea of running 2 car sets again, the idea will be quickly nixed when the quote for restoring those cabs comes in.
matthewg

Drivers cabs are still there, just the rest of the area has been modded to accommodate passengers. It wouldn't be too hard a task to reinstate the cab, though I see no reason to, apart from aesthetic reasons in preservation.
  Indefatigable Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Nope. You asked, and hopefully we've answered as informatively as possible and attempted to avoid any further confusion or mistaken identity.

All appears cool to me.
Black1050

Actually Black1050 your first response comes across as a bit aggressive, particularly the emphasis that Nick didn't see something. You're probably not aware of it, but just be mindful.

Thanks for the informative response though, a four-car K set without intermediate driving and guards facilities struck me as odd too.

Cheers,
Ben
  HMC1989 Chief Commissioner

Location: Behind a desk.
Drivers cabs are still there, just the rest of the area has been modded to accommodate passengers. It wouldn't be too hard a task to reinstate the cab, though I see no reason to, apart from aesthetic reasons in preservation.
Highrise



Unfortunately they will never be re-instated as Driver/Trailers as we pulled the "guts" out of them and to replace everything would be cost prohibitive. This Mod was done in-house at HMC over a period of several months. There are still some minor problems with K98/K99 but nothing major.

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