A-City trains

 
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
That would depend on the structural damage. The worst case is that the undamaged components get stripped out and installed in a later new-build centre car and the structure/body gets replaced by the insurer.
justapassenger

Unless some of underfloor components are damaged, which is entirely possible.

However, given these new railcars are designed to the latest crash specifications, I can't see falling off the back of a low truck at moving at 60km/hr or less to cause too much major damage. Even a few bent panels or broken windows would be enough to send it back for checks and repairs.

If Bombardier are really desperate there is always 4001T they could use, got to be less work than making an entirely new car.

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  trainznbuses Train Controller

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  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Those doors must be of low quality there is an electric train strandard at Adelaide Showgrounds station because the door is jammed and wont close.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Those doors must be of low quality there is an electric train strandard at Adelaide Showgrounds station because the door is jammed and wont close.
Milkomeda

Why does that make the door "low quality"? We do not know the cause which may be some scrote deliberately jamming it or some bit of detritus in the mechanism. I am sure the driver would have a bypass key.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I mentioned this somewhere else around here recently, this is not the first door failure, and I doubt it's the last. If it's some detritus then it must the type of detritus that is removed by a Bombardier tech and a laptop. Wish I could clean my house that way.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Those doors must be of low quality there is an electric train stranded at Adelaide Showgrounds station because the door is jammed and wont close.
"Milkomeda"
I agree that the doors are of a very low standard, the only time I've managed to catch an A-City service so far they were squeaking and shuddering badly when both opening and closing.

We had excellent pocket doors operating consistently well on the previous three commuter train classes, but Bombardier in their "wisdom" decided that cheap and nasty plug doors would be better. Not only do they seem to be prone to failure, plug doors are slower than pockets which will eat into the already marginal advantage of the A-City compared to the DEMUs.

That reminds me, it is now 61 weeks since I made a freedom of information demand for the details of the competition which led to Bombardier being selected as the best bid, and still no sign of anything being sent.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

I probably should've elaborated on my post better but the above 2 posters covered what I would've said. I definitely remember one time a horrible noise coming from one of those doors as if it was grinding very hard against something. Its just in general they seem of a lower quality than the doors from the 3000s. They sound loud and clanky and can be somewhat dangerous I've seen several people get caught in the doors because they close too quickly and without proper warning (Sometimes quicker isn't always better which applies in this case IMO)
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The reason they need to move quickly is because they have to swing across and then inwards in a reasonable amount of time, where pocket doors only need to slide across.

It's not just the mechanism which is the problem though, the doors appear to be cheap and flimsy like the whole of the A-City interior where nothing looks and feels like it's solid and well made. It's a pity my great aunt is no longer with us, with her motto of buy nice or buy twice she would have been a great asset to the EMU procurement project, albeit a most inconvenient person to have around for corner-cutting contractors.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Maybe it was the Government who specified the (cheaper?) door components that Bombardier had to use.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Maybe it was the Government who specified the (cheaper?) door components that Bombardier had to use.
nscaler69

I would not be so sure of that, as the first two sets I think had floors not up to the standards required because someone within Bombardier tried to cheapen them up a bit further. Both these sets have to be fixed before placing into service, one set has been done but 4001 set still has to make the trip to Dry Creek Depot to have this done.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I've seen several people get caught in the doors because they close too quickly and without proper warning
"Milkomeda"
I have almost seen that happen too, in a refurb set at Pinera...
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Couple of things to point out today.

There has been yet another door failure today on railcar 4005 train was stationary at Oaklands for a bit while the driver and the PSA tried to get the door shut when the train finally got to Adelaide there were like half a dozen rail engineers waiting to have a look at the problem door on the trailer unit.

Also I'm pleased to announce railcar 4006 has entered passenger service probably going to be a bit of a delay for the next one now while they fix that mess with 4007s trailer unit.

Saw something funny too as a PSA was opening one of the drivers cab doors to one of the electrics she dropped her keys through the gap and landed on the track and a rail engineer had to get her keys back while she went on that train service.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Even the 2000's and 3000's had problems with doors when new you have to expect some things like this in a new set. I was reading on another site about interstate and doors on the cars in Sydney on one type take 5 seconds to close and they are supposed to be closer to 3 seconds or something, watch out if you are last in line. Sydney and Melbourne both have short dwell time at platforms and doors that close quickly. It is a case of the quick or the dead over there so it might come to SA if the public would pull their fingers out.

You go for a ride interstate and you no sooner get off the train than the doors are closed and the train is halfway out the platform almost in your first two steps to the exit, here I have walked to halfway down the ramp at Port Adelaide and the train is just starting to move away from the platform. The public here just amble along though, were as interstate you only have a set period of time that the train waits in a platform and if you miss it tough cookies catch the next one. But interstate they do seem to have better manners  the passengers in general ,allowing people on the train to get off to make room for them, here they all push and shove one another getting on or off, no one gets out of the way of anyone.
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
I would not be so sure of that, as the first two sets I think had floors not up to the standards required because someone within Bombardier tried to cheapen them up a bit further. Both these sets have to be fixed before placing into service, one set has been done but 4001 set still has to make the trip to Dry Creek Depot to have this done.
David Peters

The big word is you "think", not you "know", the minor issue with the floors will be fixed down the track when a lot more cars are in service and they can be taken out for remedial attention. No floors have been fixed yet, has anybody even noticed an issue with any and what car they might be??? I didn't think so.
4001 is now at Dry Creek, but not for floor work.

Wayne
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels

Also I'm pleased to announce railcar 4006 has entered passenger service probably going to be a bit of a delay for the next one now while they fix that mess with 4007s trailer unit.
Milkomeda

And what 'is' the mess you all talk about Milko? There is no 'mess' to fix up, 4007 hasn't even left Dandenong yet which makes it awefully difficult to roll of the back of a truck if it hasn't been put on one!, I do believe 4007's delivery is not far away.
One would have thought that as there has been little information regard this so called accident to 4007 that you would start to doubt it's authenticity.

Wayne
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Even the 2000's and 3000's had problems with doors when new you have to expect some things like this in a new set. I was reading on another site about interstate and doors on the cars in Sydney on one type take 5 seconds to close and they are supposed to be closer to 3 seconds or something, watch out if you are last in line. Sydney and Melbourne both have short dwell time at platforms and doors that close quickly. It is a case of the quick or the dead over there so it might come to SA if the public would pull their fingers out.

You go for a ride interstate and you no sooner get off the train than the doors are closed and the train is halfway out the platform almost in your first two steps to the exit, here I have walked to halfway down the ramp at Port Adelaide and the train is just starting to move away from the platform. The public here just amble along though, were as interstate you only have a set period of time that the train waits in a platform and if you miss it tough cookies catch the next one. But interstate they do seem to have better manners  the passengers in general ,allowing people on the train to get off to make room for them, here they all push and shove one another getting on or off, no one gets out of the way of anyone.
"David Peters"
There is so much tosh there I don't know where to start. I put it to you that's it's been a VERY long time since you've ridden a train interstate!
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
And what 'is' the mess you all talk about Milko? There is no 'mess' to fix up, 4007 hasn't even left Dandenong yet which makes it awefully difficult to roll of the back of a truck if it hasn't been put on one!, I do believe 4007's delivery is not far away.
One would have thought that as there has been little information regard this so called accident to 4007 that you would start to doubt it's authenticity.

Wayne
hosk1956

I did a search at the time for the claimed accident, didn't find any news stories that involved anything rail related falling off a truck in Victoria. I did notice the usual suspects that started this story have changed to topic to talking about problems with doors.


On the subject of doors, I would think Bombardier are using the same plug door design as their European railcars, it certainly looks the same from a distance. Could the issue just be which ever local company made the mechanism hasn't done such a good job ?
The software would have safeguards to stop it trapping passengers or damaging the door itself, hence the laptop needed to tweak the settings if something binds up.

Just out of morbid curiosity, just what work is being done to 4001 ? If you can't say it's fine with me.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Unless something has changed I was told 4001 isnt going into passenger service I dont know the reason why its at Dry Creek but I doubt its to get it refitted for passenger service since an EMU trained driver told me that railcar wasn't going to be used for passenger service and be exclusively used for driver training.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

And what 'is' the mess you all talk about Milko? There is no 'mess' to fix up, 4007 hasn't even left Dandenong yet which makes it awefully difficult to roll of the back of a truck if it hasn't been put on one!, I do believe 4007's delivery is not far away.
One would have thought that as there has been little information regard this so called accident to 4007 that you would start to doubt it's authenticity.

Wayne
hosk1956

I first reported the "incident" as a question as follows

4007?

A "source" told me yesterday that 4007 had rolled off its transporter as it was travelling through Melbourne; some other persons referred to a news report.

Does anybody here actually know if/what happened?  

I agree there does not seem to be any substantiation apart from some here referring to 4007T, the "T" not being in my report. .

Again I heard, but have not authenticated, that 4007A and 4007B have been delivered.

Wayne, is there any chance the Bombardier management at DC would only let you know what they wanted you to know? What do they know a Seaford Meadows?

Ian
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I "played the hero" on a Tonsley ARS train one morning. Does anybody remember that trains used to go to Tonsley!

One set of doors near me were slamming shut after only a few seconds letting one person through and putting the next at risk.

After a couple of stops I was fed up with it. I left my seat and stood at the door. At every stop I held the doors open until people had passed through.

When I left the train at Keswick I ran to the front and told the driver; I had noted the car and door numbers. The driver actually seemed appreciative and made a note in his log.

Ian
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Does anybody remember that trains used to go to Tonsley!

Tell me more about this magical mythical Tonsley Train, Uncle Ian!
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Tell me more about this magical mythical Tonsley Train, Uncle Ian!
witsend

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  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I did a search at the time for the claimed accident, didn't find any news stories that involved anything rail related falling off a truck in Victoria. I did notice the usual suspects that started this story have changed to topic to talking about problems with doors.
"fabricator"
Not everything makes the media, for the record, the person that mentioned this to me is a victorian associated with the project, Melbourne was not mentioned to me, it was quite possible it happened in Bombardier's premises.

As for changing the story, I mentioned the door issue in a PM three days before I posted about it publicly here in response to another poster. That would be two days before the damage to a 4000 was mentioned. For the record, I had the impression it was an A or B unit, not the T and it's number (4007) was not mentioned to me.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Unless something has changed I was told 4001 isnt going into passenger service I dont know the reason why its at Dry Creek but I doubt its to get it refitted for passenger service since an EMU trained driver told me that railcar wasn't going to be used for passenger service and be exclusively used for driver training.
Milkomeda


As far as I'm aware, the reason for this was that it was doing alot of testing/etc... for all of the EMU's. It was required to go to Dry Creek for similar remedial work to that of 4002. If it is the same as 4002, that will entail windows/fittings/etc... being replaced (thats at least what I saw when 4002 was at Dry Creek).

Anyway, 4001 has seats, it is made for passenger service. It will get there eventually, but it sure isn't permanently reserved for driver training.
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Photos of 4006 in service this afternoon.

Alex C

Citybound at Clarence Park


Seaford bound at Goodwood

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