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  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
I have no idea how i made the above post just look like Franky-Mc wrote it - It was me.

Sorry about that.

[edit] No problems. Fixed by editing the post and putting the endquote tag on a new line, post looks normal ! Dthead [/edit]

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  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Ah well.  Just ordered a couple of packs of S wagons.  Not that I can afford them, but can never have too many S wagons.  Unfortunately I will not have them by first weekend in May, so mostly bogey wagons I will have to run at the Brisbane Train Show.  Bummer.  Perhaps try BobOrama for a few S wagons.  Not sure if his slightly reworked S wagons are here yet.

Best regards,
John
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Ah well. Just ordered a couple of packs of S wagons. Not that I can afford them, but can never have too many S wagons. Unfortunately I will not have them by first weekend in May, so mostly bogey wagons I will have to run at the Brisbane Train Show. Bummer. Perhaps try BobOrama for a few S wagons. Not sure if his slightly reworked S wagons are here yet.

Best regards,
John
John_Bushell

John,

Do we have any info on the weight of these "ultimate S trucks"? I would hope that they incorporate a decently weighted sub-frame so they can be reliably operated "empty".....including being in a train that is being banked from the rear. Certainly all the plastic ones to date (from Austrians and other {kit} manufacturers) have, in my estimation and experience, been too light to run empty while being banked. The one exception would be the old white-metal S trucks from Protype or Bergs (can't recall which, but I never had any).

Bill
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Dunno Bill.  If necessary I will put a load of lead in them.  Sort of negates the work they have done on interior details.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Yeh okay, thanks mate,

I just wondered whether they would carry-over the philosophy they seem to have had with the likes of the GME,  MLE and PMX etc, where these are flat trucks that can quite happily run along empty due to their basic inherent weight.

Cheers

Bill
  a6et Minister for Railways

Yeh okay, thanks mate,

I just wondered whether they would carry-over the philosophy they seem to have had with the likes of the GME, MLE and PMX etc, where these are flat trucks that can quite happily run along empty due to their basic inherent weight.

Cheers

Bill
Roachie

Bill

If they are too light, perhaps it might be possible to replace the usual metal strip in the underframe, although I think that in the main the underframe will be the same as with the other 4 wheelers, meaning that the internal floor will be solid metal.

Looking at the so called W irons on the model shown on their web page & especially the springs, there does not look to be a lot of detail in them which could suggest that these may also be made from metal & possibly part of a whole metal floor/underframe, so that would probably give them reasonable weight.

I would be careful regarding rear end banking of empty 4 wheel vehicles as sometimes more problems than its worth. Better off having front end assistance.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Has anybody had any success with conducting payments to Austrains via direct bank deposit?

I know that there are other importers out there who accept this form of transaction
  trawny Train Controller

Location: Victoria
Has anybody had any success with conducting payments to Austrains via direct bank deposit?

I know that there are other importers out there who accept this form of transaction
gw0071

Last time I asked (about 8 years ago) they didn't. I presume its a lot more difficult to track down than a cheque or credit card payment. Back then debit cards didn't exist, which make it a lot easier now.
  Indefatigable Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Austrain's S wagon-to-end-all-S-wagons arrived at my door today.



I have to say these are exquisite in detail. Though if you made removable tarped loads for your powerline/austrains S wagons, they will need surgery to fit around these ones due to the addition of chains on the doors which protrude a little from the sides.




Now to finish building that layout to run them on...

Cheers,
Ben
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
A small number of V/Line G Class are for Sale at Albury this weekend.
Apparently Sanda Kan moved into their new factory and the strike is officially over. So three numbers including G511 (which I added to my order) are available at $295 each.

Should be enough to supply all who want to top up their orders.
The Factory should have all the build delivered to Australia by Caulfield and probably a long time before. If you sack 1000 workers then you must find and train more workers. These models were the very last packed by the workers in the old factory.
Cheers
Rod
(Its only 4 hours out of Melbourne you know ?)

Very Happy  http://murrayrailwaymodellers.com/show.html
  Indefatigable Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The June Newsletter is up on the Austrains site along with a few updates to some of the product pages:

http://www.austrains.com.au/news.html

Cheers,
Ben
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Production problems. As most of you will be aware there have been major difficulties with some of the factories in China who produce model railway equipment. Unfortunately the factory making the 81/G /BL  project is one of those. Three changes of ownership over the past eight years has resulted in many changes of policy. Where once we were able to have short runs of many different liveries this is no longer the case with two of our three suppliers. As a result the factory informed us in early January that they were limiting the number liveries and numbers they would do and asked us to nominate those liveries we wished to drop. A commercial decision had to be made and we nominated those liveries for which we had least orders. At the same time the factory told us that, for various reasons some numbers would be changed and some variations we still wanted would not be done. We have been requested to place a new order for a second production run very late 2014 but the factory will still not guarantee that we will get everything we want. So while we are still getting the same volume of stock the variants are now reduced. We apologise to those whose choice of models has been restricted. This was totally beyond our control and, like many things which are happening with Chinese manufacturers right now, completely unforeseen. The revised order form shows what locos will be available in the first shipments. If we need to change locos we will contact you. If a change is necessary you will be contacted.

Things are getting worse, one might think
Rod Young
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
Well I guess given that the "factory" treats its paying customers poorly one can only imagine how they treat the workers.

Iain
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Well I guess given that the "factory" treats its paying customers poorly one can only imagine how they treat the workers.

Iain
Iain

AFIK Maccas base rate in the USA is $7.50, not $6.00 Bit of a hide Austrains moaning about some one being paid $6 an hour to build their toy trains. The only lower rates I know about are illegal Mexicans receiving $5.00 per hour in the USA. If my family hire them in the US while I am there I insist they are paid Aussie rates. Cheap Skates.
  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

I read in the Mag that Hornby have moved away from Sanda Kan ,even had to buy their own tooling back . Maybe all the Aussie stuff might be done quicker as SK work has now more than halved
  trawny Train Controller

Location: Victoria
AFIK Maccas base rate in the USA is $7.50, not $6.00 Bit of a hide Austrains moaning about some one being paid $6 an hour to build their toy trains. The only lower rates I know about are illegal Mexicans receiving $5.00 per hour in the USA. If my family hire them in the US while I am there I insist they are paid Aussie rates. Cheap Skates.
nswtrains

As a side note minimum wage in Australia is around $16.32. And people wonder why it is more expensive to buy anything in Australia.

I also doubt the practicalities of paying someone Australian wages in the US when they are more than double? Doesn't make good business sense. I'm sure employees would rather be paid $7.50 for a long term job than $16.32 for a short term job because the business goes under and can't compete with the opposition.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I read in the Mag that Hornby have moved away from Sanda Kan ,even had to buy their own tooling back . Maybe all the Aussie stuff might be done quicker as SK work has now more than halved
anzac1959

from what i can understand, i dont blame hornby.
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
I read in the Mag that Hornby have moved away from Sanda Kan ,even had to buy their own tooling back . Maybe all the Aussie stuff might be done quicker as SK work has now more than halved
anzac1959

I read in Model Railway Journal that Hornby have dropped their quality level heaps.  Probably to make it cheaper back in the UK.

Mark
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

I read in Model Railway Journal that Hornby have dropped their quality level heaps. Probably to make it cheaper back in the UK.

Mark
LaidlayM

Dropped their quality?

Yes and No

They introduced a methodology called "design clever". This was essentially a name for moulding detail on rather than separately applying it. Started to be used on things like smokebox darts and cab side handrails amongst other things. The chassis designs on some models have lost separate bearings and wheel sets are running direct in the chassis blocks.

What has changed for the worse is quality control, with a great deal of variation between the build quality its self. Parts poorly fitted, incorrectly fitted or totally missing - that sort of thing.

Any talk of Hornby going back to UK manufacture is just that... talk. Still being done in China and will be for the foreseeable future unless they can make models viably in Vietnam or India.

Craig W
  The railway dog Train Controller

Location: Adelaide Hills
Not quite on topic..
Mention back there of removable tarps. I'd thought of trying that on the new S trucks, haven't been able to make acceptable ones before.
Anyone know of references here or elsewhere? Nothing came up in the Search department.
  Lambing Flat Chief Train Controller

Location: My preference....... Central West NSW, circa 1955....
Railway Dog, have a look in my article 'Weathering with Acrylics - Simple Techniques for Rolling Stock' in AMRM Issue 265 (August 2007).

It has a section on making and painting a standard NSWGR tarpaulin.

You might find this old blog post of mine useful too: http://lambingflat.blogspot.com.au/2011/01/removable-wagon-loads_15.html
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
As a side note minimum wage in Australia is around $16.32. And people wonder why it is more expensive to buy anything in Australia.

I also doubt the practicalities of paying someone Australian wages in the US when they are more than double? Doesn't make good business sense. I'm sure employees would rather be paid $7.50 for a long term job than $16.32 for a short term job because the business goes under and can't compete with the opposition.
trawny

I trust I misinterpreted what you said Wink  If not it would mean you would be happy to be paid about $7.50 an hour?
I live on a farm with two houses. My Son in Law and Daughter share one and I the other. We share the main meal at night. We shop at a wholesale Green Grocer and Aldi and saved at the least $140 a week over Coles or Safeway prices. We  spend $285 there and top up $80 at Coles for stuff not available at Aldi  (3 adults and 3 kids)  
You just could not do that on $7.50 an hour. its almost impossible on $28 an hour, with my Daughter working part time on $19.

You have to understand that A Chinese worker does not have the same costs to meet as an Aussie Family. No phone, car and everything they do need is very much cheaper than we have to pay here.
That's why the Chinese Communists are lifting wages to allow prices to lift and their manufactures to make bigger profits and so taxes rise and makes for bigger Government.
Its all a giant con, really, and that's my opinion.
Cheers
Rod
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner


You have to understand that A Chinese worker does not have the same costs to meet as an Aussie Family. No phone, car and everything they do need is very much cheaper than we have to pay here.
That's why the Chinese Communists are lifting wages to allow prices to lift and their manufactures to make bigger profits and so taxes rise and makes for bigger Government.
Its all a giant con, really, and that's my opinion.
Cheers
Rod
comtrai

The "people" may not have the phones and cars, but they want the phones and cars along with everything else that we expect as part of our life. The usual rule is that people are communist or socialist if forced to be and capitalist if they get the choice.

China is proving no different and their wages will go up to give them access to the things we take for granted. If that means that we pay more for our toy trains then so be it. After all, nobody feels comfortable about living off sweat shop labour do they?

Craig W
  a6et Minister for Railways

The "people" may not have the phones and cars, but they want the phones and cars along with everything else that we expect as part of our life. The usual rule is that people are communist or socialist if forced to be and capitalist if they get the choice.

China is proving no different and their wages will go up to give them access to the things we take for granted. If that means that we pay more for our toy trains then so be it. After all, nobody feels comfortable about living off sweat shop labour do they?

Craig W
CraigW

Much depends on where the people live & work in China.  I was there last time just over 2 years ago, & while traffic is getting worse ever time since I first went there in 2001, many items are still cheap for both westerners & more so for the locals.

Their phone costs are all but negligible, cars are the most expensive but most use the bus services for 1 yuan, per journey & that's very cheap, consider our exchange rate is around 17cents AU, at the moment.  For a westerner a good sized meal in any restaurant not far from Tiananmen Square cost around 30 Y, or $5.50m you can get food at street markets for a fraction of that as well.

Overall their wages reflect their cost of living just as much as ours, the thing to consider is that in many cases they are also importing food & other western items which are not cheap, so costs are higher for them.

The wages paid here for the preferred wages in MacDonalds & others are usually for juniors & that is what they quote, & in the end its not great anyway.  What is likely to happen if wages go up by the level suggested in the Austrains newsletter is that the factories who rely on the migrant/peasant workers who currently in many locations offer subsidised housing as part of the wage deals may well end up cutting the subsidies if it accelerates costs too much.

I wonder though when quoting minimum wage rates of $16.32 for here, just how much turnover & therefore monetary return the likes of Maccas get from those wages.  While I don't patronise them very much, the staff levels are not that high either these days.
  The railway dog Train Controller

Location: Adelaide Hills
Lambing Flat
Thanks for the tip. I can accept permanently tarped wagons travelling Down & then Up the line, but removable loads would, I think, give a greater sense of purpose.

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