Kilmore East platform works April-May 2014

 
  jjd76au Train Controller

Location: Kilmore East
Hi all,

Track & platform work is about to happen at Kilmore East. Here's what I've heard so far from the staff.

As of this Saturday, April 6th, work is commencing to shave roughly 400mm off the Melbourne Bound (Up?) platform.

Apparently the pair of north-south tracks converge slightly too much between the platforms and has become a safety issue in that trains mirrors have recently been colliding if the trains on each side arrive at the same time.

So the Melbourne bound side track is to be shifted about 40cm east, with the appropriate amount taken from the platform edge. From the look of whats also been dropped nearby and cut marks in the platform, they will also be using the opportunity to improve drainage on that side as well.

Apparently that platform will also be getting a weather/bus-type shelter to go with the waiting room.

Melbourne bound Broadford people will get buses that stop at Kilmore East, Heathcote Junction and Wallan according ot the junk mail.

Melbourne bound Kilmore East people will get buses to Wallan. All with the usual recommendation of arriving at least 15 mins earlier than normal.

Seymour bound trains are unaffected.

Interestingly, no mention of southbound Wandong people, arriving or departing. Seems like no-one goes there and no-one leaves. Sounds like a Twilight Zone episode.
--edit-- The website mentions the buses stopping at Wandong, only the Vline paper flyer doesn't  --end eidt--

I'll get what pics I can and post them here as it goes along.

Cheers all

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Maybe trains are stopping at Wandong?
  jjd76au Train Controller

Location: Kilmore East
Wallan as far as I can tell.

Website has the buses stopping at Wandong - so there goes any pointing and laughing at them as we go past.

From speaking to the station master at Kilmore East, trains will "shuttle" Seymour to Broadford and Wallan to Melbourne.  However that doesn't explain the Melbourne to Seymour trains being unaffected, or what they'll do with the 'extra' trains they have if that's the case.

I think I may have misunderstood or got the wrong information for this bit.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The VLine website says

"Kilmore East Station"
"While platform works are carried out, Melbourne-bound trains will be unable to stop at Kilmore East Station from Saturday 5 April to mid-May.
A shuttle coach will connect with Melbourne-bound trains at Wallan Station and will depart 15 minutes earlier."


It seems from this Melbourne bound trains are still running just not stopping at Kilmore East.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Top post from OP.
Good info.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

The VLine website says

"Kilmore East Station"
"While platform works are carried out, Melbourne-bound trains will be unable to stop at Kilmore East Station from Saturday 5 April to mid-May.
A shuttle coach will connect with Melbourne-bound trains at Wallan Station and will depart 15 minutes earlier."


It seems from this Melbourne bound trains are still running just not stopping at Kilmore East.
woodford


The same was done when the pedestrian crossing was upgraded there last year.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney


Apparently the pair of north-south tracks converge slightly too much between the platforms and has become a safety issue in that trains mirrors have recently been colliding if the trains on each side arrive at the same time.
jjd76au


This was/is a problem with the Woy Woy tunnel in NSW. This tunnel was built c1890 with double track at IIRC 11' centres, which obviously cannot easily be widened to the newer 1910 standard of 12' (3.66m).  Mirror collisions have been reported in Railway Digest.

Until recently, stabling sidings at Gosford also had substandard track centres. Some of these sidings have be reconstructed or else abolished.

Gosford Platforms P1 & P2 are now interlocked to prevent two trains using both platforms at the same time.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Contractors preparing to begin the works as at Yesterday.

  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Contractors preparing to begin the works as at Yesterday.

bevans

All this clobber and it is still going to take six weeks.
Do we now assume that the trains exceed the rolling stock outline:?:
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

All this clobber and it is still going to take six weeks.
Do we now assume that the trains exceed the rolling stock outline:?:
YM-Mundrabilla


Becarful what you say as i take offense to a comment like that.
Good things take time mate, im actually working on this project and if you saw what is actually having to be done in the middle of the night to minimize disruptions to all the general public you'd actually understand.
Construction doesn't just happen overnight and if you actually go see the platform itself you'll see whats actually occurring.
I'm not at liberty to state any details.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No offence was intended.
Accepting your assurance that there are reasons why it will take, in effect, one week per ~ carriage length to repair/replace a platform. The question remains as to what has changed. Has the platform moved an/or are the trains now out of gauge?
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

No offence was intended.
Accepting your assurance that there are reasons why it will take, in effect, one week per ~ carriage length to repair/replace a platform. The question remains as to what has changed. Has the platform moved an/or are the trains now out of gauge?
YM-Mundrabilla


Not at liberty to say what is going on BUT what you could do is go for a drive there during the day and you'll get a quick idea of whats going on.. We're actively there during the night if you actually wanted to see the works we're doing the only difference is it's an hour out of Melbourne lol
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Not at liberty to say what is going on BUT what you could do is go for a drive there during the day and you'll get a quick idea of whats going on.. We're actively there during the night if you actually wanted to see the works we're doing the only difference is it's an hour out of Melbourne lol
Grosso

Thanks Grosso. Appreciate your reply.
Bit out of practice with night shifts thank you.Smile
Regards
YM
  woodford Chief Commissioner

No offence was intended.
Accepting your assurance that there are reasons why it will take, in effect, one week per ~ carriage length to repair/replace a platform. The question remains as to what has changed. Has the platform moved an/or are the trains now out of gauge?
YM-Mundrabilla

Some idea of what is required, the Melbourne bound platform is to be moved 40cm east according to the first post.

The old platform edge is dismantled, and the platform earthworks dug back to allow the new foundation.

A fairly deep foundation trench is dug, with very deep holes for the new galvinised steel platform edge supports, in this phase its very likely much earth will be shifted.

Foundation is poured with the new stantions, as well as all this the platform MUST be a minimum depth so there is a distinct possibility of earth works at the rear of the platform to keep this depth intact. stays also may be fitted to anchors back under the platform to stabilse the platform edge (this was done at Violet Town).

When foundation is ready new platform edging is fitted.

VERY IMPORTANT, the new platform AND the new track base earthworks MUST be stablised, this always takes time.

In some instances heritage factors may be invloved as at Seymour platform 1. In that case the old basalt platform edging (southern end was timber) and the original brick work was dismantled and cleaned, the platform was realigned, then the original brick work and basalt edging was put back. This took many weeks even without traffic.

At Violet Town the work was undertaken with the track intact, at Seymour the track (old BG) had been removed, this improved access, it stlll took ages.

This is seriously over simplified, much intermediate work will be done, particularly before pouring the foundations.

woodford
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Wow Woodford is on the money with alot of it but some things are slightly different but i can't say.
As i said, go for a drive and look for yourselves =)
  pheonics The Gardener

Location: Meal room with a hot cuppa
Hopefully a repeat of Broadford platform doesn't take place. It's not a drama for Passenger trains as they can pick speed up quickly but having to slow a goods down to 30km/ph due to the platform petruding into the 5'3" Loading Gauge does get very frustrating especially when you're trying to keep the train at speed.

Good to see the maintenance of these platforms taking place though!
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Not having a shot at anyone. Just a bit of information .

The top edge of the platform nearest to the edge which can be bluestone, wood or cement  is called the platform coping .

The Sprinters widely used on the Seymour line are our widest passenger stock and also the longest at 26m so clearances with passing Sprinters are tighter than  passing loco hauled, V/Locities or other combinations of trains .  Also if the platforms are on a curve then that does not help also especially with the 26m long Sprinters .
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Photos anyone?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Not having a shot at anyone. Just a bit of information .

The top edge of the platform nearest to the edge which can be bluestone, wood or cement is called the platform coping .
kuldalai


I intentionally use simplified terms in my posts and always have as more people clearly understand what one is writing about.

Many people including a lot of experts hide there ignorance behind jargon, I have found communicating in the simplest terms is in almost all cases welcomed by nearly all INCLUDING experts.

woodford
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I intentionally use simplified terms in my posts and always have as more people clearly understand what one is writing about.

Many people including a lot of experts hide there ignorance behind jargon, I have found communicating in the simplest terms is in almost all cases welcomed by nearly all INCLUDING experts.

woodford
woodford

Woodford, I agree completely with the second para of your post even more so if we include acronyms with jargon (not that either necessarily applies to anyone on this thread).
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Woodford, I agree completely with the second para of your post even more so if we include acronyms with jargon (not that either necessarily applies to anyone on this thread).
YM-Mundrabilla


The paragraph concerned was not intended as a shot at anyone including Kuldalai, it was intended more as a "universal" truth. I found many years ago that people using jargon (including acronyms) often did not have a clear definition of what the particular item meant and therefore could not always explain things in a clear way. I decided then to not fall in that trap.

Comments about my use of simple language in explanations do not bother me at all, far more important is getting the correct message across.

woodford
  jjd76au Train Controller

Location: Kilmore East
Hi all,

Apologies on the pic delay.  Arguing with my ftp upload now........
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Let's see what you have =)
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Photos anyone?
Grosso

These two show the whole platform.
The bricks have been dug out at the Seymour end up to the seat near the station sign.



  G41 Chief Commissioner

Location: Footplate of any K class
Have you been told to keep quiet now Grosso?
Seems in previous threads about the Bendigo line and toolamba you were "always opinionated" now, not so much?

Currently a 25km/h restriction through the up platform due to the excavations close to the track. Bit nerve racking when you have 2000t behind and seeing daylight underneath the sleepers...now that it's been raining, I sure hope the track hasn't moved...

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