Use of PN 92 Class in ECP Coal Trains

 
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
It may have been a fair while back but I'm pretty sure I've seen batwing sized hoppers on Stratford coal trains .

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  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
My training and understanding is that a pack is a group of wagons permanently joined together by a solid draw gear or sharing a common bogie. A Unit is a group of wagons that are assembled together for ease of maintenance and inspections.
.... but that is getting away from the topic.
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
My training and understanding is that a pack is a group of wagons permanently joined together by a solid draw gear or sharing a common bogie. A Unit is a group of wagons that are assembled together for ease of maintenance and inspections.
.... but that is getting away from the topic.
Shacks


When Australian National introduced the first articulated and permanently coupled container wagons in the late 80's they used the term pack for wagons sharing a common bogie and unit for fixed draw bar coupled wagons. My understanding National Rail continued to use this same terminology for their container wagons.

I am not sure when fixed draw bar coupled hoppers were introduced to NSW but I assume this was when Freightcorp was around and they could well have used a different terminology for this type of wagon to AN and the different terminology has continued to be used by the NSW coal operators.

Matt
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
In NSW the term "unit" has always applied to a rake of wagons that runs in (semi) permanent consist, while a "pack" applies to wagons with a fixed drawbar, 2 pack, 3 pack, etc. These definitions are what Pacific National uses.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
When Australian National introduced the first articulated and permanently coupled container wagons in the late 80's they used the term pack for wagons sharing a common bogie and unit for fixed draw bar coupled wagons. My understanding National Rail continued to use this same terminology for their container wagons.

I am not sure when fixed draw bar coupled hoppers were introduced to NSW but I assume this was when Freightcorp was around and they could well have used a different terminology for this type of wagon to AN and the different terminology has continued to be used by the NSW coal operators.

Matt
K-Class

Matt,
Your first paragraph is correct in all respects and is in accord with the national glossary of rail terms (last time I looked) but since when has NSW adopted anything that is accepted nationally?
The concept of a unit train is something else altogether.
A lot on here would also do well to remember that nothing is 'permanently coupled' but that is another matter for another day.
  M636C Minister for Railways

It may have been a fair while back but I'm pretty sure I've seen batwing sized hoppers on Stratford coal trains .
BDA


While they may not strictly be Batwing types, the current Bradken design NHYH, NHEH and NHIH types are also produced in a reduced height version that carries 100t fully loaded, used by Centennial (PHTH) and Gloucester Coal (PHGH).

I assume the Gloucester Coal wagons are used on the North Coast.

The NHCH code that I mentioned is indeed an ECP wagon but used by PN Queensland. I apologise for including it in the Hunter listing.

M636C
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Aurizon use a rake of the Gloucester coal 100t gross hoppers to transport coal from Duralie to Stratford, replacing the older QHAF (76t gross) hoppers, which have all been scrapped in recent weeks at Carrington I understand.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
While they may not strictly be Batwing types, the current Bradken design NHYH, NHEH and NHIH types are also produced in a reduced height version that carries 100t fully loaded, used by Centennial (PHTH) and Gloucester Coal (PHGH).

I assume the Gloucester Coal wagons are used on the North Coast.

The NHCH code that I mentioned is indeed an ECP wagon but used by PN Queensland. I apologise for including it in the Hunter listing.

M636C
M636C

The NHCHs are the aluminium trial wagon pair used for comparison with the NHGHs.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The NHCHs are the aluminium trial wagon pair used for comparison with the NHGHs.
YM-Mundrabilla

They were mainly compared with the Bradken NHAH wagons....

When the NHGHs arrived, the NHCHs seemed to be out of service. I did get a photo of both pairs numbered 0011/0012 at Gladstone.

They are really composite steel and aluminium, they have steel centre sills.

M636C
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
They were mainly compared with the Bradken NHAH wagons....

When the NHGHs arrived, the NHCHs seemed to be out of service. I did get a photo of both pairs numbered 0011/0012 at Gladstone.

They are really composite steel and aluminium, they have steel centre sills.

M636C
M636C

NHAH is correct my typo.
Took it for granted that we were talking about the wagon body.
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
Here is a pic of the front of a 92 Class. Showing where the ECP Run Through cable is located.

  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Is there anything behind those covers?

Or are they there for this reason (future access for mods)
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
No idea, never bothered to even try to look.
  chase42211 Chief Commissioner

Location: A well paid kettle boiler.
Are the 120T gross hoppers from Stratford fully loaded ? If so that's 30 TAL on the lower NCR .
"BDA"

This might help you out BDA, it came about when there was a shortage of 100t hoppers. http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TOC/Files/11220.PDF?1757398188

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