Pacific National trainee and qualified drivers - NSW & VIC

 
  Stuart@Asciano Locomotive Fireman

Location: Melbourne
Stuart,
What are the chances of a qualified DA or Driver transferring to NSW from interstate while still under PN training bond agreement. May need to explore this due to family health issues.


Cheers Thadius
thadius

Hi Thadius

I would advise that the best option for you under these circumstances would be to speak with your immediate supervisor regarding your situation. It would need to be taken into consideration what business needs are in the location(s) you're looking at relocating to.

It is certainly not out of the rhelms of possibility that is for sure, however I would encourage you to reach out to your manager and HR representative in the first instance.

Stuart

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  Stuart@Asciano Locomotive Fireman

Location: Melbourne
Thanks mate...but I'm not seeing the trainees advertised anywhere. Is it in the local press? or internal perhaps?

Cheers
Spiritman

Hi Spiritman

To my knowledge and according to our internal systems we see in Recruitment - there are no current needs for drivers (qualified and trainee) in Perth. We are currently accepting expressions of interest for qualified drivers, however that is all at the current time.

Stuart
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
Thanks mate...but I'm not seeing the trainees advertised anywhere. Is it in the local press? or internal perhaps?

Cheers
Spiritman

it might not have been advertised yet but it is for a contract that is starting in june. stuart@asciano might no more about it
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
it might not have been advertised yet but it is for a contract that is starting in june. stuart@asciano might no more about it
wn514

Thanks mate for clearing that up....I'm not in the market for WA jobs unfortunately (have too much invested in the east, high school age kids etc) but I thought I saw ads late last year.
  mustang Station Master

hey guys new to this forum. great info here. i just wanted to ask bat the positions in victoria. which depots are there. thanks
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
hey guys new to this forum. great info here. i just wanted to ask bat the positions in victoria. which depots are there. thanks
mustang

Why don't you google Pac Nat and look under employment, the locations are listed, wish there was more vacancies in Newcastle.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
hey guys new to this forum. great info here. i just wanted to ask bat the positions in victoria. which depots are there. thanks
"mustang"

Ouyen and Dimboola are 2 that recently put trainees on that I know of
  boatlover Beginner

Location: Newcastle
Hey Guys,
Has anyone heard from Stuart of late? I have sent emails and a PM but no response as yet. I have been waiting patiently for trainee jobs in the Newcastle region the last year or so but I guess it is a waiting game.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hey Guys,
Has anyone heard from Stuart of late? I have sent emails and a PM but no response as yet. I have been waiting patiently for trainee jobs in the Newcastle region the last year or so but I guess it is a waiting game.
boatlover

He's been absent for a while..due probably to the fact that there haven't been too many jobs advertised last six months. Last time I saw jobs Newcastle way were for Gunnedah Trainees more than six months ago. Meanwhile we wait and hope business picks up.
  DFB7307 Locomotive Driver

Location: Too far away from the railway line!
Hey Guys,
Has anyone heard from Stuart of late? I have sent emails and a PM but no response as yet. I have been waiting patiently for trainee jobs in the Newcastle region the last year or so but I guess it is a waiting game.
boatlover

http://www.seek.com.au/job/26189185

Looks like its for trainees?

Good luck, Anthony.
  ChrisSun Station Master

Location: Melbourne, VIC
http://www.seek.com.au/job/26189185

Looks like its for trainees?

Good luck, Anthony.
DFB7307

Doesn't specifically say trainees, doesn't even ask for loco qualifications either. It could be deliberately omitted to prevent a huge number of applicants applying, because once they see the words trainee, "oh yeah great, no experience, apply" Here no one would dare although I don't think qualified drivers would want to apply because they don't want to go through the training all over again.

Although it does say: "You will prepare, manage and operate locomotives in line with your level of competency, and will establish local and operational procedures in order to meet customer requirements. Train management techniques will be applied to ensure the timely transit of freight and drivers will be required to apply a customer service and quality focus to all activities." which may imply experienced candidates.

Then they say: "To be successful in this role you will hold a current C Class drivers licence, have completed year 10 or equivalent, and have full colour vision. Your positive attitude, excellent communication skills and strong commitment to safety will be an important contribution to our culture as will your willingness to undertake ongoing training and development activities." which implies trainee candidates.

From reading that you'll be in two minds at once. But if you want to try then apply.
  DFB7307 Locomotive Driver

Location: Too far away from the railway line!
Might try my luck, was qualified overseas, so have experience, have completed my HSC, and have class C. Only thing against me is I'm not local, being western sydney, but relocating isnt an issue.
  boatlover Beginner

Location: Newcastle
Hi Guys,
I applied for the job thinking it was for trainees at Newcastle but the job is actually for trainee's at Antiene  which is about 20 mins north of Singleton so you have to be based at either Muswellbrook or Singleton I guess. I rang and confirmed with Asciano and she said nothing for Newcastle as yet.
Good luck to those who live locally.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hi Guys,
I applied for the job thinking it was for trainees at Newcastle but the job is actually for trainee's at Antiene which is about 20 mins north of Singleton so you have to be based at either Muswellbrook or Singleton I guess. I rang and confirmed with Asciano and she said nothing for Newcastle as yet.
Good luck to those who live locally.
boatlover

Thanks Boatloaver...a bit ambiguous that advertisement, will have to keep a closer eye on "Locomotive Driver" ads from now on.

S'man
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Heard also that PN was going through a restructure (at least the intermodal division) so not sure if or how that will affect future offerings of jobs, would be good to hear from Stuart for an update.

S'man
  Stuart@Asciano Locomotive Fireman

Location: Melbourne
Hi Guys

Sorry I have not been as active, I am still recovering from my injury and have had a few setbacks which has meant I am not in the office as much.

Recruitment for Trainee and Qualified drivers is quiet across our business at the moment, we recently announced the joining of our two rail businesses (PN Rail and PN Coal) which has placed almost all of our recruitment for those divisions on hold. We discuss it in our FY14 results if you would like to have a read: http://www.asciano.com.au/resources/newsres/180214080745_180214_fy14_half_year_results_final.pdf

In the meantime, sit tight as we will again be recruiting for drivers in the coming months once our transition phase has completed.

Stuart
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hi Guys

Sorry I have not been as active, I am still recovering from my injury and have had a few setbacks which has meant I am not in the office as much.

Recruitment for Trainee and Qualified drivers is quiet across our business at the moment, we recently announced the joining of our two rail businesses (PN Rail and PN Coal) which has placed almost all of our recruitment for those divisions on hold. We discuss it in our FY14 results if you would like to have a read: http://www.asciano.com.au/resources/newsres/180214080745_180214_fy14_half_year_results_final.pdf

In the meantime, sit tight as we will again be recruiting for drivers in the coming months once our transition phase has completed.

Stuart
Stuart@Asciano

Hi Stuart, thanks for the update. Is Bulk a standalone division then? Take care and wishing you a full recovery soon.

S'man
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
There is no bulk division. Its either PN Coal or PN Rail. Within PN Rail is intermodal and bulk business groups.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
There is no bulk division. Its either PN Coal or PN Rail. Within PN Rail is intermodal and bulk business groups.
seb2351

Hey Seb

The CEO's statement in the document linked by Stuart mentions 4 divisions and their performance to date. Also mentions the logic behind merging PN Coal and PN Rail. I actually answered my own question - Bulk is not standalone as such but is paired with Auto.

PN Coal
PN Rail
Bulk and Automotive
Terminals and Logistics
  Stuart@Asciano Locomotive Fireman

Location: Melbourne
Hello All

We are currently calling for expressions of interest for Terminal Operators in Perth at our Perth Freight Terminal, whilst only an expression of interest right now the roles are likely to come online at the end of June / early July and are supporting a large new contract.

If you have any questions please let me know directly.

Link: http://careers.asciano.com.au/caw/en/job/493998/terminal-operatorexpressions-of-interest

Stuart
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
It must be noted the EoI's Stuart is talking about are Terminal Operator's. Shunters. Not Driver's or Trainees.

PN is embarking on a rather large round of redundancies across the business. The figure I've heard is 70 Driver's across the various divisions, probably that number again in support staff too...
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
It must be noted the EoI's Stuart is talking about are Terminal Operator's. Shunters. Not Driver's or Trainees.

PN is embarking on a rather large round of redundancies across the business. The figure I've heard is 70 Driver's across the various divisions, probably that number again in support staff too...
KRviator

In the last 18 months since I have been looking for Trainee opportunities I have seen a significant slow down....I fear a few of us here have missed the boat as it seems the growth years between 2007-2012 are now past us. Perhaps in 2-3 years time it will pick up again but by that time I will be out of my 40's, and that's when age starts to be a factor in the selection process.

S'man
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
In the last 18 months since I have been looking for Trainee opportunities I have seen a significant slow down....I fear a few of us here have missed the boat as it seems the growth years between 2007-2012 are now past us. Perhaps in 2-3 years time it will pick up again but by that time I will be out of my 40's, and that's when age starts to be a factor in the selection process.

S'man
Spiritman

Trainee numbers have been down in the last 3 months, if you geuinely want a position as a driver through a traineeship, I can count no less then 8 times in the last 6 months that various company's have called for trainees.

Move to where the work is. More then a few drivers who got a start did this. THAT is the key, simply wishing for the position to open up will leave you disappointed.
  BFCYU Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney "Sutherland Shire"
Farewell Stuart@Asciano;

Thanks for Your advice last year and Your PM to me.

Good Luck for the future.

PS: I decided not to reapply as a T/O or Trainee Driver.
The 24/7 shift work does not agree with me. (like I found out before in my health).

NB:

To others as Drivers, Trainees or T/O's (ie Shunters/examiners)

After I took the redundancy from Pacific National (P/N) nearly ten years ago,
I was involved with another Rail Company for a short term (1 year)
[which I will not name]

A new chum trainee driver came to our depot in his late 30's or early 40's.
A tall solid bloke.
He stayed for a about 6 months "on the road" as Trainee Driver.
Then one day he came in a fancy suit and tie.
He was a ""manager" for that company;
but he decided not to take up his post till he
found out the nitty gritty of freight trains.

I had a mixed impressions about that when I found out.
But be carefull what you may say to some Trainee's.

He may be Your boss!!!  (laugh)
  Botheus Beginner

Trainee numbers have been down in the last 3 months, if you geuinely want a position as a driver through a traineeship, I can count no less then 8 times in the last 6 months that various company's have called for trainees.

Move to where the work is. More then a few drivers who got a start did this. THAT is the key, simply wishing for the position to open up will leave you disappointed.
seb2351

Is there an advantage to being in the company already?
I am over 40 but I am prepared to move where the training is.   I have applied for 4 trainee positions in the last year, I think I'm a viable candidate and certainly was able to meet all the requirements in the job ads.
One of the recent ones was Asciano in Melbourne where they never progressed me to a phone discussion or interview. I only ever got an email saying I wasn't suitable, no feedback or reasons so it's difficult to believe that all I have to do is move to where the jobs are as I am in Melbourne.

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