BHP Billiton SD70ACe/lc color question

 
  steve4painting Locomotive Driver

Location: New Zealand
g'day, I will have to paint three N scale Kato SD90MAC into BHP Billiton engines (similar to the SD70ACe/lc) and I would like to know what colors you guys are or would using for such a job...

...and ? are there any ore cars available in N scale (RTR or kit ?) which are close to the ones used in australia by BHP and others ?

thank you all for your help...

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  steve4painting Locomotive Driver

Location: New Zealand
I see, a kiwi should not ask a questions in a OZ forum ey ?    Rolling EyesConfusedWink

c'mon, someone must have painted a BHP engine in the bubble scheme before... anyone... ?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Steve the person you need for this is Toad Montgomery, paging Toad to the foyer please.

He is the expert on this neck of the woods, if he does not see this, Private Message him about it! Oh and if he gets back to you post on here the colours, as I am also interested in doing a bubble scheme loco except in HO! 8)
  supersix Deputy Commissioner

Location: Heathcote N.S.W.
http://home.iprimus.com.au/nuggles58/

look here for ore hoppers

  avlisk Assistant Commissioner

Location: Laveen, AZ USA
And then, compare them with the real thing, here:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypT9FwWUeaY&feature=related
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Steve the person you need for this is Toad Montgomery, paging Toad to the foyer please.

He is the expert on this neck of the woods, if he does not see this, Private Message him about it! Oh and if he gets back to you post on here the colours, as I am also interested in doing a bubble scheme loco except in HO! 8)
"David Peters"


The colours are terracotta, charcoal and silver.

I'm unsure of paint 'numbers'. If I can find out more I'll post, as they have started painting units again here in Port Hedland, may be the odd can in the bin somewhere.

Steve Malpass Design did the scheme.
  steve4painting Locomotive Driver

Location: New Zealand
The colours are terracotta, charcoal and silver.
"Toad Montgomery"


thank you Toad, that helps a lot...
  Hendo Deputy Commissioner

I see, a kiwi should not ask a questions in a OZ forum ey ?    Rolling EyesConfusedWink

c'mon, someone must have painted a BHP engine in the bubble scheme before... anyone... ?
"steve4painting"


Steve,

Mad ex-Swissy Kiwi's are welcome. The Pilbara being so isolated, not many of us will ever get the opportunity to see one or be inspired to model them, plus there is not much published on those huge trains, though Toad's site is superb! There also seems to be more interest in N than HO and most of that interest is from guys in WA.

Having said that, I do have an interest in having some BHP and HI trains in the future, but am limited by the Ore Cars.

There is also an article at trainboard on a guy who painted up a bubble scheme, he used vinyl cutters for his mask in HO, came out superbly.

cheers,
Chris
  steve4painting Locomotive Driver

Location: New Zealand
Mad ex-Swissy Kiwi's are welcome...
...There is also an article at trainboard on a guy who painted up a bubble scheme, he used vinyl cutters for his mask in HO, came out superbly
"Hendo"


I was just teasing to get an answer...   Wink

...on trainboard.com  Question  in the H0 forum ? I did search for some time now but I couldn't find it, all I did find was the AC4400 painted in the bubble scheme.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Thanks for that Toad, now I may be able to start doing one in HO! 8)
  M636C Minister for Railways

http://home.iprimus.com.au/nuggles58/

look here for ore hoppers

"supersix"


A couple of points there:

Since the closure of the Finucane Island unloader, there are no hopper wagons used in the Pilbara for ore traffic.

All the wagons are gondola type, simple open wagons with no bottom doors. They are unloaded by rotating them in a rotary dumper.

The yellow (or white, depending on company) end on the wagons indicates the end with the rotary coupler. In your photo you have wagons facing in opposite directions. The yellow end is intended to draw attention to this and it must not happen or a non rotary coupler will get rotated and apart from breaking the coupler might tie up the dumper for hours while they sort it out.

I must admit that the Robe wagons get closest to having bottom doors because of the huge lumps of ore they sometimes get dropped in. A bent floor touching the wheels is a common cause of wagons coming out of service on the Deepdale line.

As to ready to run wagons, the Bachmann ore gondola is a close replica of the original Hamersley wagons which were based on the Kaiser Steel Eagle Mountain (California) mine cars. The HI cars have had their sides raised about 300mm but a complete set might look OK in original condition.

M636C
  steve4painting Locomotive Driver

Location: New Zealand
There is also an article at trainboard on a guy who painted up a bubble scheme, he used vinyl cutters for his mask in HO, came out superbly
"Hendo"


Chris, can you provide the link to this article ?
the only custom painted BHP article on trainboard I could find is the one of the green/orange N scale AC4400...
  M636C Minister for Railways



Chris, can you provide the link to this article ?
the only custom painted BHP article on trainboard I could find is the one of the green/orange N scale AC4400...
"steve4painting"


BHP..... green/orange.....AC4400....???

Neither BHP or BHPB have ever operated an AC4400.

I have never seen a green and orange scheme on that system.

To be a bit more helpful, Steve Malpass Design had an advertisement in a past issue of the Australian Railway Association Yearbook which showed a full side elevation colour drawing of a BHPB AC 6000 in the "bubble" scheme. At least it would be correct for what was intended.

M636C
  steve4painting Locomotive Driver

Location: New Zealand
BHP..... green/orange.....AC4400....???

Neither BHP or BHPB have ever operated an AC4400.

I have never seen a green and orange scheme on that system.
"M636C"


that's right but there are no AC6000 in N scale (beside the Overland one, which is also not the right one...) so he decided to paint an AC4400 in the bubble scheme (and he did use a green instead of charcoal) but the engine looks actually not that bad...



and I will paint three SD90MAC in the bubble scheme for a customer in Germany (yeah, also the wrong engine but with the SD70M cab close to the SD70ACe - or close enough for the guy in Germany - and he will use the three engine in front of a 111 ore car train on a NTRAK layout - and it is so bloody far away from the Pilbara so nobody will really know the difference...)
  Hendo Deputy Commissioner

Steve,

My apologies the image you posted is the paint job I was referring too, the repaint of an AC44000. Does look very good! Though I think a little "flat", semi gloss would have made it superb. Would be great to see someone able to make the long end of the AC6000 as an add-on kit Wink

Chris
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
Only two AC6000 locos wear the bubble scheme so far, 6076 since September 2003, and 6075 which got it late October 2007.
  steve4painting Locomotive Driver

Location: New Zealand
ok, the undecorated engines are on the way to NZ. what I need now are the BHP SD70ACe road numbers and the names of each engine. is there a list somewhere online ? thank you for your help...
  Toad Montgomery Chief Commissioner

Location: Port Hedland: Team EMU want's YOU!
4301 Bing
4302 Mooka
4303 Walla
4304 Gillam
4305 Coonarie
4306 Garden
4307 Shaw
4308 Cowra
4309 Gidgi
4310 Weeli
4311 Poonda
4312 Mindy
4313 Kurrajura

Or here for a complete list of all BHP units:
http://www.railways.pilbara.net.au/bhp/loco/bhpb-roster.html
  steve4painting Locomotive Driver

Location: New Zealand
cool, thank you...
  nuggles58 Station Master

Location: Western Australia
Don't know why but the link for the roster is not working.
It was working last week, but now it says it can't find it.
Any ideas?

John.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Yes same problem for me as well link is not working and page not found!
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
He has changed web address, he now uses http://www.pilbararailways.com.au/
BHP roster http://www.pilbararailways.com.au/bhp/loco/bhpb-roster.php
  nuggles58 Station Master

Location: Western Australia
He has changed web address, he now uses http://www.pilbararailways.com.au/
BHP roster http://www.pilbararailways.com.au/bhp/loco/bhpb-roster.php
nscaler69

After I posted this, I found out how to get there.

If you go to his start page at http://www.pilbararailways.com.au/ click onto the BHPBilliton then SD70ACE page, you get a 404 Not Found error.
It sends you to:
http://www.pilbararailways.com.au/bhp/loco/sd70ace/sd70ace.php
but the actual address to go to is:
http://www.pilbararailways.com.au/bhp/loco/sd70ace/sd70ace.html
The PHP and HTML at the end needs to be changed.

Also, from there, if you go to BHPBilliton Locomotive Roster Page. at:
http://www.pilbararailways.com.au/bhp/loco/bhpb-roster.html is an 404 error too.
Than needs to be changed to:
http://www.pilbararailways.com.au/bhp/loco/bhpb-roster.php

It seems that the browsers do not like the actual addresses that they are being taken to, and it does need some adjustment.
I have tried to contact him but that is not working either.

John.

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