If the E class tram order option is taken up, where is YT going to find the depot space?

 
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I was under the impression that the Bumblebees still had many restrictions on where and how they could run. Has this changed?

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  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
Glenhuntly has plans approved (government and council) to double the size of the depot by putting extra roads in where the car park is, and there have been a few murmurs about 'new' depots, tied in with small minor network extensions, such as the 86 and 109.

Probably the cheapest option is the approved plansfor Preston Workshops to be a depot able to hold up to 160 trams of 'E' class length as well. This is tied in with new cross city links, allowing trams from the new Preston Workshops depot to get to the 55 and 19 routes. Supposedly there were some heritage concerns, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something on this come the next state election.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Glenhuntly has plans approved (government and council) to double the size of the depot by putting extra roads in where the car park is, and there have been a few murmurs about 'new' depots, tied in with small minor network extensions, such as the 86 and 109.
msilsby


Another idea would be a depot that fuctions more like a mechancial parking garage, trams could be stroed in three dimensions intsead of just two, particularly useful given that all our trams are single decked.
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
Brunswick has also been mentioned for additional depot space on the victrack land between the railway line and the depot.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Another idea would be a depot that fuctions more like a mechancial parking garage, trams could be stroed in three dimensions intsead of just two, particularly useful given that all our trams are single decked.
Myrtone

WTF !
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
There's 4(? 2 in the shed, 2 in the open, I think) lanes in North Fitzroy depot. The depot could be used for both buses and trams if Transdev leased it out to them, or won the next trams bid. Many bus drivers there are ex-tram drivers, and theres definitely a fantasy among drivers about getting to drive both. Razz
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
But the land at the North Fitzroy bus depot is probably the most expensive in all of Melbourne still used for such a mundane purpose. Small 5 x 31 metre (16 x 100 feet) vacant blocks of land sell for $5000 per square metre in the area and a huge block like the bus depot would be especially appealing and sell for many tens of millions, possibly even $100 million. So expect to see the land redeveloped as soon as they can find an alternative site for the busses.

After all, a similar thing happened with South Melbourne tram depot moving to South Wharf.
  benjiMD Beginner

To run on which route? The 109?
gobillino


I'd say so. But as part of this move, I believe Kew will be losing a bunch of a-classes, which will see more c-classes on the 48's during peak times.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
There's 4(? 2 in the shed, 2 in the open, I think) lanes in North Fitzroy depot. The depot could be used for both buses and trams if Transdev leased it out to them, or won the next trams bid. Many bus drivers there are ex-tram drivers, and theres definitely a fantasy among drivers about getting to drive both. Razz
alstom_888m

North Fitzroy got re-activated as a tram depot about four or five years ago so that the City Circle fleet could use it and Southbank could have the space used by the City Circle trams.  I'm not sure how many buses are housed there. The entrance track to North Fitzroy was relaid before the trams could use it - photos are up on VicSig of the decommissioning.  It must have some space for trams as there are also pictures of two Bumblebees using it when they have malfunctions.

Depots have been gaining new tracks for the past few years.  Malvern had three added between the two car sheds along Coldblo road. Glenhuntly has had two added.  Essendon had two added.  Southbank has had three added (very long ones).  More space in needed.
  Some rail man Junior Train Controller

Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
2 E class trams I reckon should be based either on the 19 or the 112 routes
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
So what has happened to E class deliveries? I haven't seen a new one in ages. It appears they're being delivered at a rate of less than one per month.

So even if they speed up deliveries to say 10 per year, it will take about 50 years to replace the whole Melbourne tram fleet. I suspect that's rather slower than the government hoped for. but I understand the state government is short of money, so at least a slow delivery rate for the new trams will give them time to look down the back of the couch to find enough money to pay for them if they ever do arrive.
  scrat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Fitzroy North
So what has happened to E class deliveries? I haven't seen a new one in ages. It appears they're being delivered at a rate of less than one per month.

So even if they speed up deliveries to say 10 per year, it will take about 50 years to replace the whole Melbourne tram fleet. I suspect that's rather slower than the government hoped for. but I understand the state government is short of money, so at least a slow delivery rate for the new trams will give them time to look down the back of the couch to find enough to pay for them if they ever do arrive.
Bogong

The next lot of E class trams should come in the second half of this year.

Liam.
  benjiMD Beginner

I was under the impression that the Bumblebees still had many restrictions on where and how they could run. Has this changed?
Gman_86

Apparently this hasn't changed. Looks like they have come to their senses and decided that they can't be at Kew. There is word that the 3-car combino's could be at Kew soon, but I doubt that also.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
its true preston workshops Will get a depot
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
Anyone know any news about the preston workshops depot? Might be a nice place to stash a few more E-class trams to be announced prior to the next election?

There is a photo of work being undertaken at the old plate shop on vicsig taken by Ian Green on the 19th of May...

  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Press release re the transformation of Preston Workshops into new Depot & workshops space in a $190 million makeover. Looks like Mulder has finally recognised there are trams in the city. But wasn't this money allocated by the ALP in 2010?

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/10059-historic-depot-redevelopment-to-drive-a-brighter-tram-future.html

Edit: someone on Twitter found the 2010 budget release where the money for the Preston redevelopment was allocated by the ALP.

http://www.budget.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/budgets/budget10.nsf/d6e571e551bef80eca2572bb002bcea7/baee162a283b4c2dca25771900012d7d%21OpenDocument
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
As usual, it is more interesting for what is not said than what is...

No mention of the cross city connections to allow the trams located in the new depot to get to northern terminuses without having to go via the city.

No mention of the trams that will be stationed there.

No mention whether this is depot space is additional depot space, or is it to facilitate a consolidation of depots - might we see depot closures? It also mentions that work will start at the end of 2014 - does this mean that the work already being done/completed is not part of the depot?

No mention of actual capacity - or whether the depot is being built in stages - 7km of new track is a heck of a lot of trams.

All very interesting though...
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
Found an article on the railway gazette that shows the planned layout of the new Preston Workshops depot. By my calculations, there is room for about 40 trams - 3 per road, 3 on the wash roads, and at least one in the servicing area. However looking at how YT likes to pack their depots, it may hold more...




The article is Here
  ogigacz Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
So when do expect to see Es on other routes? I think I saw a post late last year saying Route 86 will get them.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
So when do expect to see Es on other routes? I think I saw a post late last year saying Route 86 will get them.
ogigacz

as far i know 86 and 96 are getting them
  MelbourneCity Chief Commissioner

I don't believe this has been asked, if it has, I apologise.

With trams being cascaded as E Class vehicles arrive, will we see depots such as Camberwell receiving classes which they don't normally receive, eg, Z?

I did see elsewhere a govt media release which implied that the 72 would soon be operated solely by D1 trams.

I assume the older Zs are being withdrawn, hence the shuffling?
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I assume the older Zs are being withdrawn, hence the shuffling?
MelbourneCity

only Z1s/2 are going but the Z3's Are staying
  msilsby Deputy Commissioner

Location: Canberra
I wouldn't be holding my breath that anything will be retired any time soon. The governments 'message' has always been that there will be additional capacity delivered by the E class that exactly matches the additional capacity provided by the new trams.

Yes, there is a cascade plan around, but I wouldn't be expecting any fleet retirements of any significance any time soon. From memory there are about 30 Z1 and Z2 trams, so while some may be able to be replaced, with recent announcements about service improvements, I would not be expecting more than a handful of the more troublesome members of these classes to be retired.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

So it turned out that the 11 got the E class ahead of the 86. The old 112 was always overcrowded with A's but the B's on the 11 were not too bad. Apparently the 86 is due again to be the next route to get the E class which would make sense given the connection to New Preston Depot.

This is going to free up a lot of B class over the next year or so. Is there any indication of where they will be cascaded to? I would very much like to see them going to Brunswick to replace the remaining Zs there. This would mean 100% B class running on route 1 and B classes making their way down route 6.

Given that 150 E's is almost a certainty, where will they end up next after the 86? I imagine that 75 would be a strong candidate.

What of the plan to connect the 96 to St Georges Road via Holden Street to run the 96 out of New Preston Depot? Was this ever serious? It would free up a lot of space at Southbank...
  loopy Locomotive Driver

Is there an official confirmation somewhere of which routes will get E Class after 11, 86, 96?

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