Replacement traino 44 and 930 wheels?

 
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
About half an hour ago I bit the bullet and decided to ring Bobs Hobbies and order 6 of these new wheel sets. My plan is to replace the wheels in one loco that is still clicking (44100 which I consider my "best" 44 because I had it converted to DCC by Marcus Ammann and he did a beautiful job of the lights etc too).

Having placed my order, I thought I'd better bite the next bullet.....getting the bottom off the bogie. This is something I'd tried to do several times before with no luck at all. The bloke I spoke to at Bobs (Michael) said that Ray Zhu was able to whip each cover plate off in about 90 seconds flat. Apparently Ray removes the brake cylinders first.

Down to the shed I went with a renewed level of vigor!!! Armed with the knowledge I'd just gained over the phone, I grabbed a correct sized pair of needle nosed modelers pliers and with the body removed from the loco, I proceeded to also snap the bogie cover off in no time flat!!!

I feel a bit stupid that I hadn't been able to work this out earlier, it really was quite simple in the end.

Of the 3 sets in that bogie, one set (the centre one) had one wheel that was quite loose. The other 2 axles seem to be okay.

My plan now is to replace the wheel sets in this loco with the 6 axles I've purchased.

Then I will thoroughly clean the old ones and try to work out a method of fixing them along the lines of a write-up I have seen on another forum. This method requires a small brass tubing sleeve to be press-fitted onto the ends of the muff where the split/s occur.

I don't own a lathe so I'm not sure how successful I might be, but it will be worth the experiment if I can work out a good fix for a cheaper price than the $5- per axle that Bob's is asking for.

If all else fails, I will be back on to Bob's to buy another 30 axles for the other five 44s I own (well actually I own 5x 44s and one Mansfield brass 43 into which I have cobbled a 44 class motor and bogies).

Roachie

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  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
There are pics of the job this other modeler, Peter Suhmann did, here:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/repowerandregear/photos/photostream

You'll need to scroll down through the pics and find the ones pertaining to this job. It seems he used aluminium tubing, not brass. Also, it seems he did it using a drill and not a lathe, so maybe I'll be okay to have a go.

file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/Repairing%20Life%20like%20and%20Athearnrev11.pdf

Roachie
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
The difficulty under the law is trying to prove not fit for purpose. It would be easier if the product failed shortly after purpose, or within a reasonable time, however, a product failing after a number of years may be held fit for the purpose and only failed through reasonable wear and tear.


The easiest solution is to ask the retailer for replacements instead of expending energy beefing on RP which will get you nowhere. One poster stated that asking for a replacement would be a good idea but could not be bothered doing so. Well if that is the case why waste my time having to read such a useless post. Seems the effort in posting could be better spent asking for a replacement.

That is the trouble with model railroad fans, a lot are full of piss and wind.
nswtrains

If you had been following this situation since it began, you would be aware that the problem began to occur shortly after the models were released. The problem was not a case of fair wear and tear, the gears were faulty in manufacture and under certain conditions would fail to engage with each other.

And furthermore, the owner of TOR was well aware of the problem and actually took the time to contact me and ask for an evaluation of the problem and a possible solution. At the time he said he would try to fix the problem.

And, true to his word, he has. The only issue is that there is now a charge for the wheelsets, and they are not supplied free to those who need them.

No piss and wind involved here.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Normal wear and tear on a product that's seldom been used? When I dig my TrainOrama locos out of whatever location at my house I have put them (people who know me will get that) I will take a photograph of one of mine that has never been used...
Aaron

On an item that has not been used there should not be any wear and tear so they cannot get out of it that way. It was faulty from the Chinese Factory but as Aaron has stated you cannot go back to the factory to complain you have to go back to the distributor here of them Trainorama! They are the ones who got them made and then sold them Australia wide so they are the ones who should be providing the cure for the problem. If they have to pay for it that is just normal business type of thing but because their models were known to be faulty in the first place shortly after they released them on to the unsuspecting public at large then they should be offering the fix free to all those that have these models. You could not get them anywhere else they all went through Trainorama to go anywhere.

This is a bit like a person buying a new car and then the maker says there is a fault in the back axle during manufacture and you will have to pay a $1000 to get it fixed! This would put you out of business real quick because if the customers did not get you the ACCC would but either way it would be curtains. If it is known or shows up later even the manufacturer should recall the car to be fixed at their own cost not the customers cost. This is were Trainorama erred though they are asking you to pay to fix your models that they had made or faults turned up after they got them made which is just not on in the majority of peoples eyes and rather underhanded as well. They did the design work etc on the models and they passed the models to be produced as well so it has to be them that is at fault here in Australia anyway.

If they have some recourse back in China under Chinese laws if they exist then as Aaron said that is their problem to work out not the consumers here in Australia. All that was asked was a fix found and they said they were working on a fix no word about it will cost you extra at all was made. Now they want $5 a wheelset. I have 4 of these locomotives and will need 24 axles to fix them so that is $120 more I have to pay just to watch my model locomotives actually run flawlessly like they should have in the first place! Some thing rotten here!
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
For those of you with a decent-sized bank account, here is another option to consider:

http://shop.osorail.com/searchquick-submit.sc?keywords=2487

Bear in mind that this price is only for the new muff....not the journals and wheels; those you must reuse from your old wheel-sets or purchase new ones.

It's a bit rice for my blood.....I have 6 locos and they would end up costing around $100- EACH to convert (after allowing for exchange rate and freight costs).

It's nice that these muffs have a lifetime guarantee, but there is no such warranty on the remainder of the Trainorama drive train.....so if you buggar-up an idler gear or intermediate drive gear in the tower etc, then you're still stuffed!

Roachie
  linton78 Train Controller

Location: South Coast NSW
For those of you with a decent-sized bank account, here is another option to consider:

http://shop.osorail.com/searchquick-submit.sc?keywords=2487

Bear in mind that this price is only for the new muff....not the journals and wheels; those you must reuse from your old wheel-sets or purchase new ones.

It's a bit rice for my blood.....I have 6 locos and they would end up costing around $100- EACH to convert (after allowing for exchange rate and freight costs).

It's nice that these muffs have a lifetime guarantee, but there is no such warranty on the remainder of the Trainorama drive train.....so if you buggar-up an idler gear or intermediate drive gear in the tower etc, then you're still stuffed!

Roachie
"Roachie"


Hi Roachie,

As you actually sent the 44 class bogie over to NWSL, this product is probably a result of your effort. Thanks for being so proactive in regards to this problem. Hopefully the NWSL coupling has a wider gear, that way all theories are covered. It's good that there are a couple of ways to fix the traino 44 class now, pity about the cost.

Linton
  LiverpoolRange Locomotive Fireman

Location: Port Macquarie NSW
For those of you with a decent-sized bank account, here is another option to consider:

http://shop.osorail.com/searchquick-submit.sc?keywords=2487

Bear in mind that this price is only for the new muff....not the journals and wheels; those you must reuse from your old wheel-sets or purchase new ones.

It's a bit rice for my blood.....I have 6 locos and they would end up costing around $100- EACH to convert (after allowing for exchange rate and freight costs).

It's nice that these muffs have a lifetime guarantee, but there is no such warranty on the remainder of the Trainorama drive train.....so if you buggar-up an idler gear or intermediate drive gear in the tower etc, then you're still stuffed!

Roachie
Roachie

Roachie,

I could be wrong, but I think that price is for six (6).  Note the "-6" after the item number 2487.  Similar catalogue numbers appear the same -

http://shop.osorail.com/searchquick-submit.sc?keywords=37625  - note the "-4" in the item number.

Admittedly, the muff item description doesn't give a quantity per pkg, but I would suggest a double check with NWSL could confirm this.

I hope I am right, because if $14.95 is correct for a single muff, that puts it out of the reach of most modellers I would suspect.

Cheers,
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
The correspondence I am referring to has been between Dave Rygmr and Rick Schonfelder here in Australia. Rick has given me permission to copy all or part of the emails....

Here is one email Rick received in response to his question about how many gears he would get for $14.95.....

QUOTE

Hi Rick,


The price is for one gear; you re-use the wheels you already have. Again, these are machined gears and with material and labor it just adds up. However, ours are warrantied for life, and they will not split on you, so viewed as an investment there is value here. Thanks!



Dave Rygmyr
NorthWest Short Line (www.nwsl.com)



UNQUOTE

The other thing worth noting is that they have made the gear teeth 1mm wider than the originals, so that should eliminate the unmeshing that has been occurring.

I often wonder whether the metal frames of the bogies were built in the manner they were, to facilitate the conversion of the bogies to narrow gauge if a modeller wanted to do so??

Roachie
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I often wonder whether the metal frames of the bogies were built in the manner they were, to facilitate the conversion of the bogies to narrow gauge if a modeller wanted to do so??

Roachie
Roachie

Maybe and maybe not Roachie. The original AR kits 45/600 class were dead easy to convert to narrow gauge as well a couple of minutes work on them and we had one done and running on HOn3 track we had. Any loco with muff type of arrangement is easy to convert to narrow gauge to a point as you only have to move the wheels in slightly this all depends though on bearings for wheels etc if you have inside bearings it can be done but if the axles have end bearings in the frames like old Athearn types did then you might find a few problems.

Note to anyone trying this you can only NG a loco to certain gauges using the original bogies and cut down muffs. The centre of the bogies were the gears etc are, are the hold up to going too narrow!
  LiverpoolRange Locomotive Fireman

Location: Port Macquarie NSW

The price is for one gear; you re-use the wheels you already have. Again, these are machined gears and with material and labor it just adds up. However, ours are warrantied for life, and they will not split on you, so viewed as an investment there is value here. Thanks!

Roachie

Roachie,

Well, I stand corrected.  I find it hard to believe that price is per unit, but obviously it is.

I won't be getting any at that price, that's for sure.  As I have only ever had one of my 44's running, and that was with a conversion to Proto87, I am yet to have any issues with clicking or split muffs to my knowledge.

Cheers,

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