VIC MP Geoff Shaw not out of the woods yet -

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I was going to resurrect the old thread relating to Geoff Shaw but thought better of it.

Latest news is that he could still be ousted from Victorian Parliament for being found in contempt.

Yet another bushfire for Denis Napthine to deal with six months out from the election.

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
He has not been found to be in contempt. He has been found to have broken rules, and has been advised to repay nearly $7,000 of taxpayers' money which was spent on running his own commercial business.

Former Liberal Speaker, Ken Smith, in the best traditions of political haters, has said he will vote with the Opposition if there is a motion to remove Shaw from the Parliament. This, however, is a legal minefield, and the ALP will need to tread very cautiously.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
He has not been found to be in contempt. He has been found to have broken rules, and has been advised to repay nearly $7,000 of taxpayers' money which was spent on running his own commercial business.

Former Liberal Speaker, Ken Smith, in the best traditions of political haters, has said he will vote with the Opposition if there is a motion to remove Shaw from the Parliament. This, however, is a legal minefield, and the ALP will need to tread very cautiously.
Valvegear

No doubt Napthine will have his own legal advice about the implications; Ken Smith was also asking any Liberal MP who believed that Shaw purposely defrauded the state to back up his position but let's face it, that would be political suicide. It's unlikely that anything will actually result from this current round of pushing and shoving apart from more bad publicity for Denis Napthine... as if he needs that on top of this abortion bill that Shaw wants to bring in.

I believe that Ken Smith has a valid reason for hating Geoff Shaw - the guy has made all sorts of accusations about him both inside and outside parliament.

Also, the Herald-Sun had a VERY negative story about Geoff Shaw on page five today; they made no secret of the fact that they can't wait till he's out of parliament.  No doubt that will stir him up further (like his handle needs more cranking!)
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I am seriously wondering whether Shaw is losing his marbles.  He seems incapable of understanding the mis-use of taxpayers' money, calls the Privileges Committee, "Nuf Nufs", and appears divorced from reality. Add to this his so-called study trip to USA on the subject of abortion, where his study consisted of meetings with known anti-abortionists only. He then returns, demands a debate on the subject and calls all other Members "weakies" and worse when they ignore his demand  The debate has been had, and done to death; it is not needed again and Shaw can't recognize the fact.  I think that he needs professional help, and the sooner, the better.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I am seriously wondering whether Shaw is losing his marbles.
Valvegear

As you say, there's a few things that suggest this but my own theory is that he's just not particularly bright - he had no understanding whatsoever as to why his private business use of that car was not allowed. I blame the state Liberal Party, this mess was entirely of their own creation.

I really don't know how Shaw got pre-selection for such an important seat - a seat that was seminal in breaking Jeff Kennett's government. If they had looked into his background they would have found that he had a history of violence that continued after he was elected as the Member for Frankston and that he has somewhat extreme views on things like homosexuality and abortion - his maiden speech praising Abraham as the original owner of the land was really more in keeping with a 19th century Presbyterian pastor than a 21st century politician. It was completely out-of-step with the soft, fuzzy small "L" Liberals that Baillieu was trying to present to the Victorian people - did they really not know much about him before the election or did he tell them what he thought they wanted to hear in order to get pre-selection?

As the Herald-Sun says, there's not a hope in hell that he'll hang on to his seat in November. Does he seriously think that his bible-thumping anti-abortion crusade is going to get him re-elected... in Franskton? I think the residents of Franga worry about more pressing issues than selective-sex abortion.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Herald-Sun today, page five:

"Mr Shaw said the prospect of being suspended or expelled from Parliament did not worry him.  'I'll just get about doing my job, what I'm doing, you know, saving babies and looking out for my interests in Frankston'. "

I'm gunna bet he gets less than ten percent of the vote when he stands as an independent later this year.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
'I'll just get about doing my job, what I'm doing, you know, saving babies and looking out for my interests in Frankston'. "
don_dunstan

Looking out for his interests in Frankston is something he is demonstrably good at - nearly $7,000 of our money was spent on his interests. I thought his job was to look after the interests of his constituents.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Looking out for his interests in Frankston is something he is demonstrably good at - nearly $7,000 of our money was spent on his interests. I thought his job was to look after the interests of his constituents.
Valvegear

I don't think he actually understands that, perhaps someone could tell him?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Looks like this Geoff Shaw thing is going to come to a head sooner than anyone thought, a no-confidence motion possible next week and Geoff has indicated he'll vote against the government.

I wonder what the legal advice Napthine has says about all this? It will make it impossible to govern if Shaw starts voting against anything and everything.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
We will know more today.

Shaw has to go as does Napthine. Let us all hope an election is called and we can put an end to Napthine.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Looks like this Geoff Shaw thing is going to come to a head sooner than anyone thought, a no-confidence motion possible next week and Geoff has indicated he'll vote against the government.

I wonder what the legal advice Napthine has says about all this? It will make it impossible to govern if Shaw starts voting against anything and everything.
don_dunstan


Labor needs to sit back and do nothing lest it be blamed by the usual suspects. Remember how luvie Liberal and Labor were when negotiating the minority government and afterwards how venomous the spurred party and their supporters became.

Tony Abbott went to absurd measures to prevent the coalition being seen to be supported by Thomson including running out of the chamber. It may have been cynical... Surprised

Labor needs to steer clear of any no confidence votes for the time being. The government position will become untenable in due course.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Labor needs to steer clear of any no confidence votes for the time being. The government position will become untenable in due course.
Groundrelay

I'm inclined to agree with that observation - Daniel Andrews should sit back and watch how Napthine deals with it. The election is less than six months away, better to let the Liberals do what they do best and collapse into a heap or wait for the Governor to sack them, not unprecedented in our national history of state governments.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I also agree - don't kick it down; it will fall down by itself.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
If they were sacked shortly an election woul need to be called.

Napthine has released an array of policy for road as rail which I think we agree was never designed to be delivered.

What else could he release as sweetners for the election if it were called in the next day or two ?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Is It just me, or Is does It seam Dr. Napthine Is a bit low on spin at the moment.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Is It just me, or Is does It seam Dr. Napthine Is a bit low on spin at the moment.
Nightfire

I think that Napthine (and Labor for that matter), might just be a bit scared to spin (the bottle) at present, lest it ends up pointing in the wrong direction. Napthine seems to want Labor to make the first move - presumably so he can blame them for the messy outcome (whatever that may be).

A no-confidence motion could well backfire, as could a motion to expel Shaw (which would get rid of the loose cannon, but leave the numbers deadlocked, with the Speaker having to vote (presumably with the Government) on most things - hardly the way to run the show, or even worse if an MP gets sick or is unable to attend a sitting of Parliament for other reasons and the other side refuses the 'pair').

The Parliament is well and truly hung, and only an election will sort that out - maybe!!

Meanwhile its a sideshow for the Media, becoming a bonanza for Constitutional Lawyers, and probably about to become a nightmare for The Governor.


And I thought that the previous NSW Government was a mess!!!

I hope that the minority South Australian Government is watching closely, lest they or their bedfellows get into trouble during their term.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I think that Napthine (and Labor for that matter), might just be a bit scared to spin (the bottle) at present, lest it ends up pointing in the wrong direction. Napthine seems to want Labor to make the first move - presumably so he can blame them for the messy outcome (whatever that may be).

A no-confidence motion could well backfire, as could a motion to expel Shaw (which would get rid of the loose cannon, but leave the numbers deadlocked, with the Speaker having to vote (presumably with the Government) on most things - hardly the way to run the show, or even worse if an MP gets sick or is unable to attend a sitting of Parliament for other reasons and the other side refuses the 'pair').

The Parliament is well and truly hung, and only an election will sort that out - maybe!!

Meanwhile its a sideshow for the Media, becoming a bonanza for Constitutional Lawyers, and probably about to become a nightmare for The Governor.


And I thought that the previous NSW Government was a mess!!!

I hope that the minority South Australian Government is watching closely, lest they or their bedfellows get into trouble during their term.
mikesyd

Election ASAP !
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
What else could he release as sweetners for the election if it were called in the next day or two ?
freightgate

The fact that East-West tunnel won't be built if he loses?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Going to put it out there (ducks for cover...):

To be honest, Geoff Shaw is right to stand firm on his convictions regarding his desire to amend the hideously immoral and unjust Abortion Law Reform Act 2008.  Napthine should grow a spine and let the parliament vote to fix or throw out this appalling legislation which prosecutes doctors with moral convictions and allows infanticide.  Napthine is the true coward in this saga, not Shaw.

As for Daniel Andrews - a stooge of the radical left faction of the ALP.  He may as well be a Communist in my books.  I don't trust him one iota.

Want to know what really goes on in our hospitals?:http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/aborted-babies-being-left-to-die-20101006-167u0.html
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
To be honest, Geoff Shaw is right to stand firm on his convictions regarding his desire to amend the hideously immoral and unjust Abortion Law Reform Act 2008.  Napthine should grow a spine and let the parliament vote to fix or throw out this appalling legislation which prosecutes doctors with moral convictions and allows infanticide.  Napthine is the true coward in this saga, not Shaw.
Carnot"

Including your highly emotive language for a moment, consider a few things. 1. Parliament has already voted. The abortion law debate has been done and dusted; we don't need it again.  2. By definition, no infant is killed, therefore infanticide is not an issue. 3. Legislation does not prosecute doctors.  4. Shaw is dishonest and immoral. He has stolen taxpayers' money for his own private purposes.  5. "To be honest" is something we'd like to see from Shaw, and others. 6. You have some passionate beliefs; I, and obviously many others, do not share them.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I hope that the minority South Australian Government is watching closely, lest they or their bedfellows get into trouble during their term.
mikesyd

With Martin Hamilton-Smith, this appears to be a thing peculiar to South Australia where the Labor Party manages to poach people from the cross-benches and it's part of their astonishing success in that state. Perhaps it also says something about the weakness of the Liberal Party in SA that it keeps happening?

I don't think you could get the Labor Party here to touch Geoff Shaw with a barge-pole. He seems to genuinely still believe that he's the victim in all this and that it's all everyone else's fault... as Valvegear says, you have to question whether or not he's parliamentary material full-stop if he can't at least be contrite about that $7000.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Herald-Sun again today had five pages devoted to how much they want Geoff Shaw to go; I'm beginning to understand now why the man feels everyone is out to get him. The Sun doesn't appear to care that it may prematurely end Napthine's government, they just want Shaw gone.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
can we give him some wine and make him resign?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Going to put it out there (ducks for cover...):
...
As for Daniel Andrews - a stooge of the radical left faction of the ALP. He may as well be a Communist in my books. I don't trust him one iota. ...
Carnot


Yes he's as communist and all those LNP far wrong ideologists are fascists.

Study modern history. Stalinist/Maoist style communism has never flourished in any country with a small underclass and a sizable middle class.
It's more likely that your small-minded, tightRsed types will abandon the compromise of democracy for the reassuring embrace of some future Benito or Adolf Mad
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
can we give him some wine and make him resign?
X'Trapolis-904M

Napthine would wish it was that easy, like that incident in NSW Parliament some years ago involving the Speaker.

I feel Geoff Shaw is going to dig in for a long fight; it will probably be really difficult to actually get the numbers together next week to expel him.  He's probably well aware of the superannuation and pension implications of either being expelled or not serving the full term so he's not going to go without a fight.

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