Auscision Models Blog

 
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller


Great thing about Auscision as I have said before is the variety of releases - they cover almost everything.
For the 81's, at least 4 road numbers in candy and the bicentennial versions is a great start not to mention the blue and PN versions etc etc.
Better than a fantasy tuscan version!??
5711

I'm sure they would also do the early as released body style as well that Austrains are not doing, but unfortunately I just can't believe they will be doing the 81.

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  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

It all make sense...

They were working on the 43 all along (duh!)

They are getting the tooling for the 421 from Austrains, just upgrade to latest detail level and release

They get the tooling for the 442 and upgrade as above, and now they've got a mech for their GL

They release the 1st series X because they've got the Austrains X class mech anyway

44, 47 and 48 are just straight Traino tooling, acceptable detail and then modify to do later versions (SSR 47 or 49 anyone?)

Oh, and release an SSR GM, S and C Class while you're at it (since they have the tooling)

Maybe upgrade the 80 Class and re-release, 48 in bicentennial and the two 81's and you can recreate the Broadmeadow portrait
(yes, you can get them all)

And just for kicks, beat Eureka to the punch with an unannounced 40 Class! (or buy their tooling!)

Paul
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out

They were working on the 43 all along (duh!)
They are getting the tooling for the 421 from Austrains, just upgrade to latest detail level and release
They get the tooling for the 442 and upgrade as above, and now they've got a mech for their GL
They release the 1st series X because they've got the Austrains X class mech anyway
44, 47 and 48 are just straight Traino tooling, acceptable detail and then modify to do later versions (SSR 47 or 49 anyone?)
Oh, and release an SSR GM, S and C Class while you're at it (since they have the tooling)
Maybe upgrade the 80 Class and re-release
FirstStopCentral


Most, if not all locomotives on that list are wrong in some form or way, you might as well just tool new tooling. Austrains 421's have a few large faults to them, as do the 442.

I also wouldn't touch the Auscision GL if the used the Austrains 442 mech. (Never seen so much slop in mechs until buying Austrains)

The 49 and 47, from what I've been told would have to be completely re tooled to do modern versions. I asked TrainO about doing modern versions a while ago on Facebook.

I've always thought the 44 was a perfectly acceptable model as is (save for the gears), and all versions have been done.

Traino have confirmed the SSR GM is being done by themselves on Facebook.

S317 also has a different nose profile after a prang or two under VR so you'd need a new tooling there. S302 has has some mods under WCR/ELZ and would be different again so more retooling

SSR G's? It in theory could happen, but with the whole 1st series T/P class saga kills that idea.

The Austrains C class tooling needs serious updates detail wise (and probably electronically as well)

And from what I know, the 1st Series X classes are brand new from the ground up (maybe except for bogies which are used under B/A classes).



The intelligent modellers have caught on that they are just baiting people for a bite, well because they've learnt it'll happen irregardless of the model being released or not.
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC
Very savvy marketing is what it is. simply getting a hell of a lot of people (clearly including me) talking about there product.

Simples!
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The Austrains C class tooling needs serious updates detail wise (and probably electronically as well)
speedemon08


Might as well start over from an electronic point of view, I believe even the latest ones sold don't have DCC sockets.  
You've just reminded me i've still got to fit my C501 with dcc.
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
I don't model NSW, so somebody else will probably be able to take this further, but is there anything common to each of those photos, beyond track/ballast/etc. and the fact that it's NSW rollingstock?

Edit: meh beat me to it by a few seconds.
TheMeddlingMonk

The Sky!
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
The Sky!
Teditor

Should have seen that one coming...
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Should have seen that one coming...
TheMeddlingMonk

Plain as day!

Enough already!
  a6et Minister for Railways

Most, if not all locomotives on that list are wrong in some form or way, you might as well just tool new tooling. Austrains 421's have a few large faults to them, as do the 442.

I also wouldn't touch the Auscision GL if the used the Austrains 442 mech. (Never seen so much slop in mechs until buying Austrains)

The 49 and 47, from what I've been told would have to be completely re tooled to do modern versions. I asked TrainO about doing modern versions a while ago on Facebook.

I've always thought the 44 was a perfectly acceptable model as is (save for the gears), and all versions have been done.

Traino have confirmed the SSR GM is being done by themselves on Facebook.

S317 also has a different nose profile after a prang or two under VR so you'd need a new tooling there. S302 has has some mods under WCR/ELZ and would be different again so more retooling

SSR G's? It in theory could happen, but with the whole 1st series T/P class saga kills that idea.

The Austrains C class tooling needs serious updates detail wise (and probably electronically as well)

And from what I know, the 1st Series X classes are brand new from the ground up (maybe except for bogies which are used under B/A classes).



The intelligent modellers have caught on that they are just baiting people for a bite, well because they've learnt it'll happen irregardless of the model being released or not.
speedemon08

Given that all the Austrains Loco's, including their current new ones, G/BL/81 are manufactured at the old factory, which also produced the Eureka models, up to & including the 40cl if it eventually gets here from them, likewise all the old models from TOR, except I think the GM's, not sure but maybe the 42's as well.

Eureka has had to have SDK finish off models they had tooled as to have them shipped to the new factory also would have meant new mechanisms & motors, same as with Austrains, & that is what has happened with the TOR GM & 48cl as they have had to have new mechanisms made to accept the motors from their new factory.  They have also said on several occasions that all their locomotive models have had or will have all new mechanisms & motors made up for their production at the new factory.

I know John Eassie has said in recent times that he is finishing up, & at the brickpit mentioned his last new model is now under production, when he actually finishes is something that will come out over the next few months, & most tend to think this years Liverpool exhibition may be his swangsong.

What happens to the old tooling's is an unknown ATM, but how much of them would really be acceptable in this day & age, I would imagine the NR class tools will be past their use by date with the next run, owing to how many models have come out from them so far, thus they are likely past their use by date.

If anyone was to buy the company out, I would see the old toolings being of no real value unless some can be salvaged, but for me, given the prices that Auscision is still charging for new diesels, especially if you pay in full prior to delivery, they can at least get new models out with much better overall quality than it is possible with the old Austrains tooling's, also they would not need to rework them for the mech's & motors from their current suppliers.

Maybe, just maybe Auscision & Austrains have reached an agreement for the future, & the photo's are warm ups for the future announcements, maybe not also & just a teasing. Time will tell though.

One thing though, & while this is an Auscision thread & this is a bit off topic, if John Eassie does decide to retire & sell, & I for one wish him all the best in retirement as I think he deserves it, especially with the recent problems at SDK taking its toll along with the ones from them in the past few years, who can blame him & even the others if they too decide to pull the plug, which I do not think they will.

I do think though that what John Eassie has done over the years has served all of us well, as has all of them.
  trawny Train Controller

Location: Victoria
It could be O scale teasers?

Or trees, power poles, more model drivers?

I haven't noticed this mentioned yet:

'Last chance to get your free wagon!!!Pre-orders for our VLX/BLX vans ends on Tuesday the 17th of June as our shipment will arrive.
Get your order in to avoid missing out and before the price rise!
We will be posting all orders out late next week.'

If anyone else was procrastinating getting a order in better do it quick smart.


Cheers
  442Jumbo Station Master

Location: By the NSW South Coast Line
i'd go for one like that 442 thats your avatar.....awesome weathering!!!
5711

Weathered 442s are the best 442s.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
In the name of good natured humour which is what the Auscision team appear to have in spades, perhaps the page number of this thread might equally be an indication of what's around the corner...
gw0071


Its now at page 82, should we read anything into that?

perhaps not...
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Its now at page 82, should we read anything into that?

perhaps not...
catchpoint

Yep! No 81 class anymore!
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Maybe the delay with the Austrains 81's is to print the Auscision boxes to pack them it... Cool

Paul
FirstStopCentral

I think it is unlikely that the delays have anything to do with a transfer of ownership. The Hornby info in the latest AMRM shows Sanda Kan caused a million pound loss at Hornby in England, and this factory is where the 81 is being produced.

Does anybody out there really think that John Eassie wants to see Austrains depart the modelling scene? We have known for a couple of years that JE wants to sell, and I suspect that Auscision is the only Aussie Importer to escape the China problems, that they may the ones who are capable of taking on Austrains. But I think it will be written up in the deal that Austrains will continue as a trade Mark just as Auscision have done with BRM?

I know this is all "wishful thinking" But I would very much like to see modern standard versions of the high and low nose T Class as well as all the X Class and my top requirement being the C Class in all its versions.
Bring on the C Class. I believe the Auscision team are the ones that we need to take on Austrains and that they would then re-engineer all the models worth retaining.

I wonder if Peter Wilkes has a soft spot for JE and Austrains? Didn't he have early associations with JE and perhaps Tom or the shop, after leaving school? After Toms death Austrains still had a presence in the Ryde shop even though the owners had started off Trainorama?
That's how I would be thinking (even despite the flat top T, and nobody really knows what went on there behind the scenes? Does anybody actually know where the BRM T Class is made? Very Happy
Cheers and have fun Wink
Rod Young
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Does anybody out there really think that John Eassie wants to see Austrains depart the modelling scene? We have known for a couple of years that JE wants to sell, and I suspect that Auscision is the only Aussie Importer to escape the China problems, that they may the ones who are capable of taking on Austrains. But I think it will be written up in the deal that Austrains will continue as a trade Mark just as Auscision have done with BRM?

comtrain

Given the dated nature of so much of the Austrains product does the Austrains trade mark have much value. As has already been stated it would be easier to start from scratch if doing a NR, C, 80, 442, 421 etc.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Given the dated nature of so much of the Austrains product does the Austrains trade mark have much value. As has already been stated it would be easier to start from scratch if doing a NR, C, 80, 442, 421 etc.
kingfisher

Yes I understand that Austrains were the leaders and everbody else followed
I know that The Trainorama 44 Class upped the standards and forced Austrains to improve their models.
And that Auscision came along and put a lot of thought into what we (and they) wanted and changed everything for the better.

If we look across the waters to the USA it would seem that Trade Marks are valued, and with Walthers owning just about everything, the Trade Marks still exist under the new ownership?  Why is this so?
Suspect 'good will' is what you pay for. Despite those noisy ones that come and go, Austrains has some value, and be that their models, or simply removing a brand name from Sale and preventing someone else from walking in and entering the market place with all the resources in place?

Wouldn't it be worth a million dollars or more to stop that happening?
Just thinking now, because as others will tell you, I know 'nuthing, nuthing at all' Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
A few misconceptions are creeping into the thread.
1. BRM is not Auscision, it is a separate company owned by someone who isn't an owner of Auscision. 30 seconds on the ASIC website gives you the full details. Auscision distribute BRM products, no different to Coles 'exclusively' distributing certain Kellogs products.
2. Trademarks can be bought and sold (and licensed), either directly or via a broker. Often ownership rights are transferred as part of a business change of ownership.
3. BRM's products are made in one of the factories Auscision uses. Auscision use more than one factory.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I think there are several  manufacturers having a very good belly laugh at the excitable posters here.

I'll know what will happens in 15 years time and look back at all this with fondness.

Regards,
David Head
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Nothing wrong with getting excited by 'what if's'.
I for one will not deny that I have absolutely no idea what its all about but it surely promotes some good healthy talk and speculation.

If it all ends up coming to zero - egg on face all round but still its fun. The 43 coming out is really the great news story of 2014 for NSWGR modellers.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
I think there are several manufacturers having a very good belly laugh at the excitable posters here.

I'll know what will happens in 15 years time and look back at all this with fondness.

Regards,
David Head
dthead

And David,
Don't you forget its all good fun, and in reality, no body really gets hurt.

Some think winners die with the biggest collections?
Some just  like to guess what is not being told?
Anyways I just want to see the stuff keep arriving, because my wallet is always open for the right products Smile
Cheers
Ans having fun!
Rod
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I think there are several manufacturers having a very good belly laugh at the excitable posters here.

I'll know what will happens in 15 years time and look back at all this with fondness.

Regards,
David Head
dthead

5711 and Rod, it IS FUN I agree. Some speculation is serious, some in fun, after all from most of us it is a hobby. For the manufacturers it is serious business as well as fun.

Enjoy, and  continue the speculation !

Regards,
David Head

ps The O scale 44 from Auscision will meant they have a data pack for the 44, so..............  Wink
  a6et Minister for Railways

5711 and Rod, it IS FUN I agree. Some speculation is serious, some in fun, after all from most of us it is a hobby. For the manufacturers it is serious business as well as fun.

Enjoy, and continue the speculation !

Regards,
David Head

ps The O scale 44 from Auscision will meant they have a data pack for the 44, so.............. Wink
dthead

Agreed, & the more I think on it, the photo's of the 44 & 48 are pointers to O scale. HO has good 44cl models & when the TOR model comes, there will be a good version of that also.

Given the growing amount of interest that is showing up in O scale, with the original Auscisions 44cl, albeit in the later variants of them, there would be more than enough interest in producing both the Mk 1 as delievered & the subsequent modifications done on it, at least with all prior to the marker light changes, the same with the Mk2 as they came out with the single markers.

The brickpit had 2 impressive O scale layouts that I noticed & the O scale Garratt was ultra impressive to say the least, it certainly shows that there is a market for them with the more well healed modeller, & still enough HO models needed to fill that void also
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Willing to stand corrected by my understanding of the Auscision O scale models program are generally aimed at units that are / were in the employ of Southern Shorthaul (SSR) first as paperweight gifts to their valued customers and that any other livery that the units may have run in is a bonus for O scale modellers.

As far as I know no SSR 48's

Regards,

Catchpoint
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

ps The O scale 44 from Auscision will meant they have a data pack for the 44, so.............. Wink
dthead

Should clarify that  any of the O scale projects could be done for HO as they have the measurements and data. Same for any HO product, they could do it in O.  So a 44 and 49 done in O......... Smile

Regards,
David Head
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

My speculation leans towards releases in HO. I say this as a direct reflection of that iconic Broadmeadow line up of Bicentennials. With the 86/422 combo already allocated, it seems to point in the direction of completing the line up. Just my 5c!!

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