Australian Rail Track Corporation Ballast Hoppers

 
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Is any one able to assist with details for the Australian Rail Track Corporation ADFF Ballast Hoppers please.

I am after the Tare, Gross, length (code board details, good photo), wagon numbers, what is written on the board on the right hand end and any other details regarding signs etc.

Any assistance appreciated.

Ted (Teditor) Freeman

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  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller
  645edude Train Controller

Location: In my own little 1/87 world
Hi
There are a few pics here of the ADFF hopper

http://rusted2therails.blogspot.com.au/search?q=adff

Hope its of some help
Mathew Hughes
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Thanks Matt and Mathew.

I was able to get the code board info needed.

I notice that there are 22xx series with circle in square and 29xx series with triangle in square, is this a standard difference and why?

Still after road numbers if I can get them please, any help is appreciated as usual.

Ted (Teditor) Freeman.
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
The circle indicates a manual grade control, while the triangle is a fixed choke exhaust.
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
The circle indicates a manual grade control, while the triangle is a fixed choke exhaust.
Fireman Dave

They are both coded ADFF, but I noticed on another post just under this, a list for NDFF and they are all in the 22xx series, is ADFF 2216B an oddity?

Ted (Teditor) Freeman
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
The circle says that the wagon has manual grade control. The triangle means it has fixed exhaust choke, basically grade control on permanently. There are not many manual wagons now operating in NSW.

The square means load compensating brake. Normally there is either a number in the centre that is the mass limit for empty brake, or ALC for automatic load compensating brake. These wagons have nothing there. I think that these ex SRA NDFFs were some of the first wagons in Australia with auto brake compensation.

This Auscision page tells about the various number series and orders.
http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/ndff_page.htm
  Teditor Deputy Commissioner

Location: Toowoomba
Thanks everyone, I have all the info I need now, much appreciated.

The NDFF was just changed to ADFF when they went under ARTC I guess.

Ted (Teditor) Freeman
  konkos Assistant Commissioner

Location: Live next door to half-bar
Sorry for asking this question, but do ARTC actually own these wagons or they are leased from NSW something rail
konkos
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
ARTC has no right to the first letter A. That is 'owned' by G & W as the heirs and successors of good old AN.

No one follows the rules these days so why should ARTC.

The industry is spiralling into the chaos of 50 odd years ago.
  M636C Minister for Railways

ARTC has no right to the first letter A. That is 'owned' by G & W as the heirs and successors of good old AN.

No one follows the rules these days so why should ARTC.

The industry is spiralling into the chaos of 50 odd years ago.
YM-Mundrabilla

Aurizon are an extensive user of the A prefix in WA.

This started under G&W ownership.

G&W are still numbering their Whyalla iron ore hoppers in the WAGR narrow gauge number series, too...

M636C
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

The checkletter to the number would also need changing - eg NDFF2976G would become ADFF2976T.
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
ARTC has no right to the first letter A. That is 'owned' by G & W as the heirs and successors of good old AN.

No one follows the rules these days so why should ARTC.

The industry is spiralling into the chaos of 50 odd years ago.
YM-Mundrabilla

ARTC were a spin off of the AN track maintenance division and all of there initial wagons were ex AN and were coded starting with A and these original codes were kept. When additional wagons were required for their expanded role in NSW the use of the A code was continued to keep their fleet consistent.

When the 4 letter coding was first introduced there was only 4 operators (AN, NSW, Vline and WA) and then a fifth entered with National Rail and the system was straight forward and worked very well. When the 4 letter coding system was first invisioned I don't think anyone in Australia ever anticipated the privatization of the railways and the large number companies that now own or operate rolling stock.

Just be thankful we don't use the same coding system used in North America where they have a 2 to 4 letter code to designate the owner followed by the wagon number. Each wagon owner uses the same code across their hole fleet (some of the major players have more than one code) . The code and number do nothing to describe the wagon type or to differentiate between what we would call different classes of wagon.

What a perfect system for Australia looks like I am not sure but what we have at the moment seams to work fairly well. What we should be doing is encouraging operators to consolidate their coding to one starting letter where possible. GWA uses A and F, SCT uses P and A, PN uses at least R, N & V, and Aurizon use Q and A, all these codes are legacies of the wagons earlier owners.

As there is basically no interchange of wagons between operators (other than SCT wagons on Aurizon east coast services) it does not matter if their are a variety of code starting letters in a train consist as all of the wagons will be owned by the operator. Staff working in the yards don't need to be able to instantly recognizes who the wagon belongs to to return it to its home railroad as they needed to back in the pre-privatization era.

As a track side observer I think it would be nice if the coding was perfectly constant and instantly recognizable but being realistic what we have is currently working and nothing will change any time soon.

Matt
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I understand GrainCorp was allocated "G" as the wagons transferred from PN to GrainCorp were to be recoded (eg NGHX to GGHX). Considering a lot of those hoppers were sold to SSR, they're now due for another recode ("B"?)
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Even under the original ROA system (instituted from 1979) NSW did its own thing with codings applied to certain wagon types; eg NPAX, NPBF were hopper discharge while NPRX, NPRY had a pneumatic discharge, as well as a hopper discharge, facility.
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Even under the original ROA system (instituted from 1979) NSW did its own thing with codings applied to certain wagon types; eg NPAX, NPBF were hopper discharge while NPRX, NPRY had a pneumatic discharge, as well as a hopper discharge, facility.
electrax

I think the only system to apply the ROA system correctly across their whole fleet was AN and possibly WAGR.

Victoria applied Y as the final letter to many non boggie exchange wagons which should have been coded F as they were only rated  80km/h sped not 115km/h.  They also coded some of their coil steel wagons as flat wagons.

NSW grouped any wagon that worked in the cement industry NP??
  rgolotta Beginner

I think the only system to apply the ROA system correctly across their whole fleet was AN and possibly WAGR.

Victoria applied Y as the final letter to many non boggie exchange wagons which should have been coded F as they were only rated 80km/h sped not 115km/h. They also coded some of their coil steel wagons as flat wagons.

NSW grouped any wagon that worked in the cement industry NP??
K-Class

NSW certainly followed the system P was for cement and cement required products not for Pneumatic!!!
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