Aurizon jobs

 
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reports/NRSRFatigueRIS.pdf
seb2351


I'm going to print that out and place it on my bedside table. If I ever have trouble getting to sleep a bit of

"Elements of subjectivity in more general provisions (for example, the general safety duties), sometimes in combination with a lack of risk management capability on the part of a rail transport op..." zzzzzz

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  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
I'm going to print that out and place it on my bedside table. If I ever have trouble getting to sleep a bit of

"Elements of subjectivity in more general provisions (for example, the general safety duties), sometimes in combination with a lack of risk management capability on the part of a rail transport op..." zzzzzz
Typhon

LOL.....Thumbs up (Like on FB).....Gold Star (Favourite on Twitter)  Typhon for this post!
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW

*EDIT: I will also stress I am speaking from a trainee perspective. Drivers with qualifications are more valuable and more lee way is appropriately given in terms of living locally or not. BUT, if your home address is say Sydney, and your applying Newcastle, a black mark still exists because of the fatigue issues with travelling more then 60minutes from your home depot to your home.

seb2351


I think if you give a Sydneysider a chance to work in Newcastle (or Wollongong for that matter) they would jump at the chance and happily relocate, unless they are already privileged enough to live in the burb's in and around the northern beaches, Bondi, Coogee, Brighton, Cronulla etc.
  mustang Station Master

thnks for the info guys. i understand the logic behind taking people locally. i m 26 and want a secure career and will be happy to move if there is a life changing opportunity. well have applied for the position so lets see what happens.
another question if i may which other companies take trainee drivers. i want to know so i can keep an eye on any future roles. are there ever any roles in victoria or not????

thanks guys
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
thnks for the info guys. i understand the logic behind taking people locally. i m 26 and want a secure career and will be happy to move if there is a life changing opportunity. well have applied for the position so lets see what happens.
another question if i may which other companies take trainee drivers. i want to know so i can keep an eye on any future roles. are there ever any roles in victoria or not????

thanks guys
mustang

Pacific National surely do, though with recent events (businesses closing, redudancies etc) there has been little around in terms of trainee positions.

Metro (as a pasenger driver), SCT (Watch this space), Qube would be other options to consider. Just keep an eye on seek.com.au
Keep trying, you cant win it unless you in it!
  mustang Station Master

thank you so much for the info. do you how often they would advertise

with the aurizon trainee position would they consider me a as an applicant or me being from interstate i should expect a no thanks email.

thank you guys
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
thank you so much for the info. do you how often they would advertise

with the aurizon trainee position would they consider me a as an applicant or me being from interstate i should expect a no thanks email.

thank you guys
mustang

Mustang

Don't wait too long, get your application in sooner rather than later, don't presume they have made up their minds already just because your from interstate. You should always get your application in early though as Aurizon will receive in excess of 500+ applications for these Trainee positions.

S'man
  mustang Station Master

thanks spirit man

i already have applied for the role. lets see what i get.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
thank you so much for the info. do you how often they would advertise

with the aurizon trainee position would they consider me a as an applicant or me being from interstate i should expect a no thanks email.

thank you guys
mustang

In terms of how often they advertise- how long is a piece of string! Razz From what I have observed, the key "times" seem to be early August- October, and Feb- March. HOWEVER, it really does come down to when the positions become available.

In regards to Aurizon, all applicantions are considered and a merit based selection process is used. Why being interstate is not going to do you any favours, as long as you have a competitive application that stands you out from the pack, then you will be fine.

For trainee positions, you can expect over 5000 applicantions for the average position, and especially with a depressed economy and rampant youth unemployment (reaching into the low 20% range in Western Sydney) there is going to be stiff competition.

Spiritman, I would not be leading people astray- the Aurizon recruitment process for a trainee position will not commence until applications close. Whether your the first, or last applicant has no weighting- it is making your applicantion stand out that matters.

As a generic tip, ensure;
-Resume is up to date, and your employment history is listed in chronological order. Try and ensure that you mention any key projects that you were involved in, or skill sets acquired
-Ensure that you have qualifications ready to go. Find them now, before they are needed, because the last thing you want is to miss out because you couldn't find a simple piece of paper
-Ensure that you have suitable ID (driver's licence will need to be sighted at some stage during the application process. In addition, depending on your depot you may find that you need supplementary ID (such as a Birth Certificate) for police checks, MSIC cards etc. Get this ready NOW before the job- during the interview you want to be able to confidentially say yes to these types of requirements
-Cover letters: While recruiting firms talk about the resume to death, the humble cover letter is forgotten a lot of time. If you want points for setting yourself apart, submit a cover letter. You would be surprised just how many people fail to do this, and find their application is not even looked at as a result. The cover letter is your advertisement: this is where you address the key selection criteria (where possible, use current role performance descriptors/examples) and sell your key attributes.
-Networking is just as important now, as it was "back in the day". Why? because it enables you to have a good understanding of what the job is truly about, and shows the interviewer that you have seriously researched the role, beyond reading a couple of posts on the internet.
-During the interview, ensure that you provide your answers in a manner that; Addresses the selection criteria, shows excellent communication skills and control of your body language and finally always ask questions at the end. The interview stage does weed out people, and you want to be remembered, not forgotten when they do the selection cuts.
  mustang Station Master

In terms of how often they advertise- how long is a piece of string! Razz From what I have observed, the key "times" seem to be early August- October, and Feb- March. HOWEVER, it really does come down to when the positions become available.

In regards to Aurizon, all applicantions are considered and a merit based selection process is used. Why being interstate is not going to do you any favours, as long as you have a competitive application that stands you out from the pack, then you will be fine.

For trainee positions, you can expect over 5000 applicantions for the average position, and especially with a depressed economy and rampant youth unemployment (reaching into the low 20% range in Western Sydney) there is going to be stiff competition.

Spiritman, I would not be leading people astray- the Aurizon recruitment process for a trainee position will not commence until applications close. Whether your the first, or last applicant has no weighting- it is making your applicantion stand out that matters.

As a generic tip, ensure;
-Resume is up to date, and your employment history is listed in chronological order. Try and ensure that you mention any key projects that you were involved in, or skill sets acquired
-Ensure that you have qualifications ready to go. Find them now, before they are needed, because the last thing you want is to miss out because you couldn't find a simple piece of paper
-Ensure that you have suitable ID (driver's licence will need to be sighted at some stage during the application process. In addition, depending on your depot you may find that you need supplementary ID (such as a Birth Certificate) for police checks, MSIC cards etc. Get this ready NOW before the job- during the interview you want to be able to confidentially say yes to these types of requirements
-Cover letters: While recruiting firms talk about the resume to death, the humble cover letter is forgotten a lot of time. If you want points for setting yourself apart, submit a cover letter. You would be surprised just how many people fail to do this, and find their application is not even looked at as a result. The cover letter is your advertisement: this is where you address the key selection criteria (where possible, use current role performance descriptors/examples) and sell your key attributes.
-Networking is just as important now, as it was "back in the day". Why? because it enables you to have a good understanding of what the job is truly about, and shows the interviewer that you have seriously researched the role, beyond reading a couple of posts on the internet.
-During the interview, ensure that you provide your answers in a manner that; Addresses the selection criteria, shows excellent communication skills and control of your body language and finally always ask questions at the end. The interview stage does weed out people, and you want to be remembered, not forgotten when they do the selection cuts.
seb2351

awesome post seb. thank you so much for the detailed info. yes i have everything ready. currently work as a bus driver in public transport victoria so documents and license is up to date. i did make a cover letter detailing all the aspects like shift work. i understand how it works.
have applied so lets wait for now
once again thank you for such a great detailed post
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW

Spiritman, I would not be leading people astray- the Aurizon recruitment process for a trainee position will not commence until applications close. Whether your the first, or last applicant has no weighting- it is making your application stand out that matters.
seb2351

Hey Seb

I'm saying this because a HR rep on the PN thread has shared this issue with us already:

"To give you some perspective on the daunting task we face - the last intake we had at Moss vale resulted in us receiving 444 applications for 9 vacancies. It unfortunately means that the recruiter looking after the role needs to be a little 'ruthless' in their decisions on applicants. A lot of the decisions they make are based on 2 key factors - 1) Being a 'local' or within a 45-60 minute drive to the depot & 2) Having a mechanical aptitude / background. Also being in quick with your application is highly advisable."

As a high school teacher myself the issue of mental fatigue after you have marked and read your 180th exam comes into play. I start looking for key words rather than reading the whole answer. I couldn't imagine reading through 5000 applications, even if you had a team of 10 recruiters that's 500 applications each! I'd be brain dead! So I think getting in early with a good application might save you from the automatic "ruthless" cull based on the "local" factor.

S'man
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Hey Seb

I'm saying this because a HR rep on the PN thread has shared this issue with us already:

"To give you some perspective on the daunting task we face - the last intake we had at Moss vale resulted in us receiving 444 applications for 9 vacancies. It unfortunately means that the recruiter looking after the role needs to be a little 'ruthless' in their decisions on applicants. A lot of the decisions they make are based on 2 key factors - 1) Being a 'local' or within a 45-60 minute drive to the depot & 2) Having a mechanical aptitude / background. Also being in quick with your application is highly advisable."

As a high school teacher myself the issue of mental fatigue after you have marked and read your 180th exam comes into play. I start looking for key words rather than reading the whole answer. I couldn't imagine reading through 5000 applications, even if you had a team of 10 recruiters that's 500 applications each! I'd be brain dead! So I think getting in early with a good application might save you from the automatic "ruthless" cull based on the "local" factor.

S'man
Spiritman

That ok, I am talking from first hand experience dealing with both as the applicant and someone who has been involved with recruiting.

I will refrain from passing on correct and first hand information in the future.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
That ok, I am talking from first hand experience dealing with both as the applicant and someone who has been involved with recruiting.

I will refrain from passing on correct and first hand information in the future.
seb2351

Hey Seb

Please.. your advise is invaluable on these forums, I was giving Mustang a tip based on what I had read directly from a PN HR rep (as quoted above). I can though see the sense in having a application in early based on my own experiences with reading and mental fatigue when you are on fairly tight deadlines. Is it about 8 weeks from when the position is advertised to when the new employee starts work?

S'man
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hey All

I know it's early days yet, but has anybody heard anything yet?

S'man
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Hey Seb

Please.. your advise is invaluable on these forums, I was giving Mustang a tip based on what I had read directly from a PN HR rep (as quoted above). I can though see the sense in having a application in early based on my own experiences with reading and mental fatigue when you are on fairly tight deadlines. Is it about 8 weeks from when the position is advertised to when the new employee starts work?

S'man
Spiritman


Or maybe you should be the last one in, that way you're on top of the pile for when the recruiters get around to reading through the massive stack on their desk Razz

This tactic was not lost on me in high school... Razz
  mrbump Junior Train Controller

Location: Hotel California
Or maybe you should be the last one in, that way you're on top of the pile for when the recruiters get around to reading through the massive stack on their desk Razz

This tactic was not lost on me in high school... Razz
Typhon

I wonder how it works with everything being digital now, do they read from the top (first), or bottom (last) of the list? perhaps the answer is to be in the middle?Laughing
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hi all

An Aurizon HR advisor had a look at my Linkedin profile yesterday...at least I got looked at, whether anything comes of it remains to be seen. Good luck to all!

S'man

Edit: A mate in Newcastle says he's heard near 4000 people applied, there's going to be a lot of culling if that number is true!
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Hey all

As alluded to in an earlier post, Trainees are also being sought for Quirindi Depot http://www.seek.com.au/job/26982640?savedSearchID=8045792&tracking=JMC-0000784j&etcid=9610&etrid=5c2a0168-e286-e211-a4be-9c8e992ccf48

S'man

Edit: Note this one has the 1hr drive away from depot and preference will be given to locals criteria.
  rook Locomotive Driver

Hey all

As alluded to in an earlier post, Trainees are also being sought for Quirindi Depot http://www.seek.com.au/job/26982640?savedSearchID=8045792&tracking=JMC-0000784j&etcid=9610&etrid=5c2a0168-e286-e211-a4be-9c8e992ccf48

S'man
Spiritman

I love it!!!

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  LocoPOD Beginner

Hi all! Has anyone heard anything about the Newcastle positions yet?
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
Aurizon HV coal now requires new train crew employees to live no more than 1 hr from the depot as part of the 'key criteria'. It's their way of controlling how much call time a train crew employee can ask for related to the use of liftup/layback, etc for ad-hoc changes to sign-on times after working rosters are posted. Also tied into fatigue risk issues.

I don't know how the '1 hr boundary' is worked out as it can't be purely based on a distance from the depot by drawing a big circle on a map since everyone's journey is different, but that might be the only way to do it to preserve 'procedural fairness'. For the Quirindi jobs, it means locals only though, unless someone is prepared to relocate if they're offered a start. For the Newcastle jobs, it means most of the greater Newcastle area.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Aurizon HV coal now requires new train crew employees to live no more than 1 hr from the depot as part of the 'key criteria'. It's their way of controlling how much call time a train crew employee can ask for related to the use of liftup/layback, etc for ad-hoc changes to sign-on times after working rosters are posted. Also tied into fatigue risk issues.

I don't know how the '1 hr boundary' is worked out as it can't be purely based on a distance from the depot by drawing a big circle on a map since everyone's journey is different, but that might be the only way to do it to preserve 'procedural fairness'. For the Quirindi jobs, it means locals only though, unless someone is prepared to relocate if they're offered a start. For the Newcastle jobs, it means most of the greater Newcastle area
craigd

I didn't notice the 1hour/local criteria for the Newcastle jobs, however in the online application process the distance question was posed and it asked whether you would consider relocating to Newcastle.

Still no word yet..... usually know by now if you were successful (applications closed on the 20th July) however the delay could be due to the number of applicants (around 4000 unconfirmed).
  MJR Station Staff

So far, 2 of my friends within Newcastle area have received text messages and emails alerting them of being progressed to the next stage of review.

To my frustration they have only 1-2 years in mining. Where I have 10+ in mining and multiple industries with manufacturing transport and logistics also.

Rage.

Haha
  craigd Deputy Commissioner

Location: A Thinktank near you
The reverse is also true. Trying to get into mining/construction anywhere in Australia at the moment without any prior experience in that sector, and/or lots of 'tickets', etc. is next to impossible. I know - I'm trying! 25 yrs driving trains means no quals for any other industry. And with any 'trade' or 'professional' job that isn't an apprenticship/traineeship type position, 99.99999999999 pct of employers want applications from people with prior experience and all the necessary certificates/tickets already. Hard to get that without already being in the industry. Wink

That aside, a point with applications. In addition to a cover letter, it's important that the people you want to use as referees know to expect a call from a potential employer, and actually do know you well enough, preferably professionally if possible, to field questions that the recruiting team might ask.

It's important that the cover letter addresses the key criteria listed in a job ad. Doesn't need to be big on detail, as the resume usually fills in the rest of the info to decide whether or not to progress someone to the next stage. A cover letter should be no more than 2 pages, but 1 page is better.

The main thing is to have a go, even if your skills/experience aren't a good fit. With trainee hiring, almost nobody will have the exact fit as the idea is that people are applying with little or no prior experience in the industry.

Each job application is an exercise in 'self-marketting'. And knockbacks, while frustrating, are a way to learn what to fine tune, change, update, or address, for future applications. It's something I've learnt over the years and as the fine tuning continues it get closer and closer to being something that 'jumps off the page' in terms of being just what a recruiter is looking for.

Craig.
  boatlover Beginner

Location: Newcastle
Hi All,

I just received my "unfortunately this time we are not taking your application any further"  letter from Aurizon regarding the Newcastle applications. I was hoping my previous experience in the rail industry would have given me a head start but obviously not. I am still kicking myself for walking away from the industry when I was about to enter the Acting drivers school at Delec Enfield in the early eighties. But I guess you cannot turn back time.

Good luck to all those who have progressed through to the next stage.

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