3526 in roundhouse at Thilmere

 
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
So I'll see you at the next meeting for members to express your dislike?

The best thing about this is, no matter how much all of the internet enthusiasts whinge and moan and complain, no matter how many dollars they don't contribute, they'll still be out trackside chasing the train and photographing it and whinging at anyone who will listen, because... and read this bit carefully... The NSWRTM will do what they please with their locomotive for the enjoyment of the community at large.
Raichase


Umm am willing to stand corrected but 3526 is not "their locomotive" to do with what they please.

Having said that I am just happy that it still exists and is care for in this day and age.

Regards,

Catchpoint

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  SJB Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Allow me to quote an extract from the NSW Depertment of Environment & Heritage which reads "...Locomotive 3526 is historically significant as one of three members of its class painted in deep (Oxford) Blue..."

Seems to me if it's recognised as significant for that (among other reasons) it's a great idea to make that particular aspect of the engine the focus for the coming years.

Also why have none of our internet warriors championed the cause of having a standard goods tender fitted to the loco? It's historically significant as that's how it was 'back in the day'.

So, who's gonna tell the guys who put in so many long hours to build a new tender from scratch they got it all wrong? Nobody? I figured as much. You can't have it both ways.
  CraigW Assistant Commissioner

Allow me to quote an extract from the NSW Depertment of Environment & Heritage which reads "...Locomotive 3526 is historically significant as one of three members of its class painted in deep (Oxford) Blue..."

Seems to me if it's recognised as significant for that (among other reasons) it's a great idea to make that particular aspect of the engine the focus for the coming years.

Also why have none of our internet warriors championed the cause of having a standard goods tender fitted to the loco? It's historically significant as that's how it was 'back in the day'.

So, who's gonna tell the guys who put in so many long hours to build a new tender from scratch they got it all wrong? Nobody? I figured as much. You can't have it both ways.
Archer

Commonwealth Engineering turret tender ... simple really.

3526 was not fitted with one and the tenders were modified to couple with the 35's. To the best of my knowledge none exists and there are no spare tenders.

Despite the big kerfuffle about the significance of the colour, 3526 was not the original preservation candidate. It was 3519 which was damaged in a shunting accident at Enfield and 3526 was then substituted.

Above is from memory, happy to have facts confirmed or corrected.

Craig W
  SJB Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Another E&H Website extract:

"From 1964, due to deterioration of some original tenders and reservations about their limited coal and water capacity, several of the 35 Class, including 3526, received standard goods turret tenders (the Commonwealth Engineering type dating from 1950), which became available after scrapping of some of the Standard Goods locomotives they were built for. These tenders provided significantly more range, but did nothing for the appearance of the class. Although it did have a turret tender for a brief period in the 1960’s, locomotive 3526 is currently fitted with an original type tender (Tab No. 1309), which came from locomotive 3519 in 1967. Also in this period, part of the valance over the slide bars & crossheads was removed on some locomotives, presumably for easier servicing. Locomotive 3526 was one of the those affected. "
  a6et Minister for Railways

Another E&H Website extract:

"From 1964, due to deterioration of some original tenders and reservations about their limited coal and water capacity, several of the 35 Class, including 3526, received standard goods turret tenders (the Commonwealth Engineering type dating from 1950), which became available after scrapping of some of the Standard Goods locomotives they were built for. These tenders provided significantly more range, but did nothing for the appearance of the class. Although it did have a turret tender for a brief period in the 1960’s, locomotive 3526 is currently fitted with an original type tender (Tab No. 1309), which came from locomotive 3519 in 1967. Also in this period, part of the valance over the slide bars & crossheads was removed on some locomotives, presumably for easier servicing. Locomotive 3526 was one of the those affected. "
Archer

Those points are true, & 26 was fitted with a Turret tender after its last Cardiff overhaul.

The aspect regarding the cover strips on the front valance & removal, that was a basic 2 stage affair, whereby there was an early short cut out with a cover strip over it, by the early 60's the cover was removed & the small access point for oiling was left off. While this helped both maintenance staff & drivers to access the area, it still was a hindrance for them. The decision to complete the cut out to a larger recess was made by the fitting staff at BMD & with the DLE's approval it went ahead.

3526 was always the preferred engine for preservation owing to its link to the Caves Express & one that had been painted in the 3 primary colours black, blue & green.  When it was fitted with the Turret tender it caused a bit of stir owing to the preserved engine was to retain the tender which was common to the class.

At the same time some issues arose regarding 26's overall condition including mechanical & boiler condition, which meant a search was carried out to find a replacement, that being 19 that was deemed to be in both a better mechanical condition as well as the boiler also thus the RTM with the NSWGR made the decision to replace 26 with 19 as it represented a better option for the future, & if the report in the Roundhouse news at the time can be found also stated that as 19 had the original type tender it better reflected the class.

Old Roundhouse magazines had articles & reasons why particular engines were chosen against others, also when a change was made the reasons were also published, after the Enfield UP through road accident the decision was reversed the change back to 26 was also reported.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
I don't understand the resistance to the blue paint job? Even if it isn't 100% authentic NSWGR, that's no big deal, surely. It's a railway engine, it can be repainted any time, people even set fire to it to make us all happy. Wink

M
  a6et Minister for Railways

I don't understand the resistance to the blue paint job? Even if it isn't 100% authentic NSWGR, that's no big deal, surely. It's a railway engine, it can be repainted any time, people even set fire to it to make us all happy. Wink

M
Grantham

From my perspective, I don't have that much of a problem with colours in general, especially if the particular engine was painted in that colour, or the colour is the same as what was used when in operating service, & that applies more so to engines that are owned by basically the original operators & in this case it is the NSW government & not a private company.

When 26 was painted in the so called caves express scheme it was sickening. The first coat was providing wide white bandings to the boiler as well as valance & tender, it looked terrible & nothing like the original scheme which had thin lines, also the blue was terrible a later repaint with narrower bands & piping improved along with a slight change in the blue.

The other colour I cannot stand is the green pig, totally against what Belpair pigs were painted in service meaning all were black with red piping.  However, if it was painted in a green that was a better match to the colours painted when round boilered a different matter, if you want to see what colour green they were painted in, I understand the model that was on display with chain drive at Central for years is the colour they were painted in.
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Here is 3526 and new tender in roundhouse alongside 4520 under repair. I'm not a purist with regards to it's colour scheme, if it brings in the revenue by attracting Mum and Dad and the kids then paint it red and call it the Hogwarts Express, after all it's only paint! The kids are where our future volunteers will come from and the revenue keeps the heritage fleet operational...so blue is alright by me.

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