And the Iranians have American-made fighter jets? That's news to me.
Indeed, they do!
MOSCOW — A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 with 295 people aboard was apparently shot down by an antiaircraft missile before it crashed and burned on Thursday in an eastern Ukraine wheat field near the Russian border.
The point is that the buck really stops with whoever was backing the people who actually shot it down. And I was reading today that the crash site has been deliberately trawled to remove any forensic evidence of the missile.
There's not going to be any justice for the families of the victims.
You cannot really believe that anyone gets justice out of a war???
in the fog of war truth is the first casualty
The Travel Insurance companies will all probably refuse any claims for this, and will cite "Act of War" as their excuse.
As to the black boxes, there are in fact two - one is the Flight Data Recorder (FDR) which collects lots of technical data and will probably show all normal until everything suddenly disintegrated. The other is the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) which records sound from within the Cockpit and will probably be normal as well until maybe a loud noise at the end. There was no distress call, things would have happened very fast.
Finding bits of the missile would be more important, though it seems that both Russia and Ukraine both have the type in question - it more a matter of which side fired it.
A couple of points, just being the devils advocate............
Why should anyone be held accountable, if there was the world would be working to a double standard. Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down by the guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes on 3rd of July 1988 with the loss of 290 people including 66 children. The US finally apologized in 1996 but never admitted liabilty. It appears no one was ever punished, in fact the captain of the Vincennes was given the Legion of Merit decoration in 1990. White caucasian people are not more human or more deserving than arab people, where all part of the human race.
If one enters a war zone , you take a more or less great risk, if one wishes the best safety stay out of the war zone. At least some airlines including Qantas considered it prudent to stay out of the way. We were safely flying over war zones for years is not a valid response in my opinion.
Let's be quite clear on the airway this flight was on...IT was not through an active warzone. The restricted airspace extended to FL320 - 32000' AMSL. MH017 was planned to, and was, cruising at FL330, 1000' above the restricted airspace. Not through it.
At least some airlines including Qantas considered it prudent to stay out of the way. We were safely flying over war zones for years is not a valid response in my opinion.
I heard said on TV that the flight should have been at 35000' and was in Russian airspace rather than Ukranian, which is contrary to what had been said previously. It seems again that nobody knows what is going on!
I heard said on TV that the flight should have been at 35000' and was in Russian airspace rather than Ukrainian, which is contrary to what had been said previously. It seems again that nobody knows what is going on!
He should have said since moving from Singapore to Dubai for the stop over
I love that link though
PS and before anyone goes me for typing in his quotes, I'm not. I'm typing below the quote box, I cannot see DTMW's sig and I've tried to fix 3 times now.
MILW has the right idea - the reaction of some is a little too two minute hate for my liking.
That and simply taking any opinions or messages from the media or those with vested interests as fact, without critical analysis.
And some media sources were crying foul about local Ukrainians collecting passports for identification purposes (because we have so much wartime experience) or that wallets were apparently stripped of cash (because we have just as much experience of incredible poverty).
Couldn't be because of all those people running around with guns now could it?
Well, that and the arrogance of the western belief that they are even entitled to be there, which surely wouldn't esteem them to the rebels.
The latter paragraph strongly implies an expert crew must have been used for the Buk system in the case of MH17, all military experts saying the Buk launch vehicle being well beyond the expertise of most people to operate. This in turn strongly implies the crew was either of Russian or Ukranian military origin.
Which sadly is what the mainstream media are best at...