Austrains G Class Diesel Loco - Upcoming 81 / G / BL

 
  jd4980 Chief Commissioner

Location: Grafton
I sincerely hope that information regarding 3 body variations for 81's is correct, time will tell though.

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  5711 Assistant Commissioner

The Candy 81 samples were visible late last year. I managed to see them personally and they were not quite ready for production.
The comment mostly was that the red was not accurate, it was too dark . Since then nothing has been seen.
The bodies look pretty good, the numbering was crisp and detail nice. There was no other added on detail.

The saga over the road numbers is dissapointing. Having only 2 numbers available with one a repeat number from Powerline's initial release was some what questionable. Then to have them sell out was a second blow.

To be honest, I'm hoping that all the rumor with SDS doing a 'possible' 81 class is very interesting. This is one class of locomotive that could support a dual release but I am not holding my breath.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

I sincerely hope that information regarding 3 body variations for 81's is correct, time will tell though.
jd4980

I don't believe he is saying that Austrains will release all 3 body versions, just that there were 3 body versions on the real thing.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

I don't believe he is saying that Austrains will release all 3 body versions, just that there were 3 body versions on the real thing.
kingfisher


Gee's you gotta spell it out for these people.

Austrains are releasing the following in HO scale models...

"To clarify the body styles: The 81 has three bodies and the G has 8 bodies."


Paul
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Better leave the details to Austrains, Mr Peters. There's a lot more than 3 different body variations in the G Class than you think, there's maybe, umm, 8!

Paul
FirstStopCentral

Hey Paul
Be nice if you expanded your knowledge here and listed Locomotive numbers and what changed?
Now taking in consideration that alterations would have to be visible and therefore in plain sight to create a need for diework changes in a model.....
I believe the MK 1 G Class was probably identical to a BL, and at least two of them were repainted from Green and Gold.
Several years later all members of the MK1 were modified or upgraded to MK 2 specs (In part) due to an arrangement made with Victoria's Union Cab Committee.
These alterations were applied in such a way that (possibly) none of the class completely looked like any other engine in the class. So HO models, possibly, will only appear in V/Line paint as any other scheme would cause Austrains to be crucified if the small changes were not made to match the additional liveries?

I am not certain, but I believe G543 was in service before the MK1 G Class were rebuilt.
So based on that I would be fairly excited to read your report on the 8 Classes of G Class released and which modifications best describe the differences Smile
Thanks in anticipation

Rod Young
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Hey Paul
Be nice if you expanded your knowledge here and listed Locomotive numbers and what changed?
Now taking in consideration that alterations would have to be visible and therefore in plain sight to create a need for diework changes in a model.....
I believe the MK 1 G Class was probably identical to a BL, and at least two of them were repainted from Green and Gold.
Several years later all members of the MK1 were modified or upgraded to MK 2 specs (In part) due to an arrangement made with Victoria's Union Cab Committee.
These alterations were applied in such a way that (possibly) none of the class completely looked like any other engine in the class. So HO models, possibly, will only appear in V/Line paint as any other scheme would cause Austrains to be crucified if the small changes were not made to match the additional liveries?

I am not certain, but I believe G543 was in service before the MK1 G Class were rebuilt.
So based on that I would be fairly excited to read your report on the 8 Classes of G Class released and which modifications best describe the differences Smile
Thanks in anticipation

Rod Young
comtrain

He can't tell you because he doesn't know.
  lustychant Chief Commissioner

I *think the question revolves around the engine access doors on the Candy 81's, not the grills...

Though as the production run has not arrived it is all purely speculation. Only when they are here will we know for sure.

Hopefully the delay will ultimately be a satisfactory one for all.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Going by plans when first released the difference between a BL and the first series actual V/Line spec G class were mainly internal. As has been said the first couple of G classes had to be repainted from green to orange and grey because they were actually BL class locomotives. The next series was built with the same external body but with a few changes made internally. The main difference between a original BL and a G class was that one had only one pressurising fan and the other had two of them. I cannot remember now what was what but that was the major difference at the start.The last series had air conditioners added when built and other changes made to the body work as well.

So if they do a BL model then they should be able to do a first series G class simply by a change of paint scheme etc. Powerline did this. After there were a lot of changes made to these locomotives though but it might not be what the company is making in the model form. All G's got remotored as I remember with only minor changes made to their outside looks. Most probably to exhaust outlets in most cases. So there could well be 8 different versions of these locos but for all intents and purposes if the actual body did not change externally for changes made inside then it is just a standard model with appropriate numbers on it. One with an uprated motor and no changes made to the body at all are not really worth worrying about are they. I dont think that Austrains would do every variation of the G classes anyway as they would be better off offering the most changes in the 81 class but they are not even doing that as the original 81 class locomotives are not being done at all.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

They would be better off offering the most changes in the 81 class but they are not even doing that as the original 81 class locomotives are not being done at all.
David Peters

That is certainly my understanding from talking to John at the recent Canberra exhibition.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Going by plans when first released the difference between a BL and the first series actual V/Line spec G class were mainly internal. As has been said the first couple of G classes had to be repainted from green to orange and grey because they were actually BL class locomotives. The next series was built with the same external body but with a few changes made internally. The main difference between a original BL and a G class was that one had only one pressurising fan and the other had two of them. I cannot remember now what was what but that was the major difference at the start.The last series had air conditioners added when built and other changes made to the body work as well.

So if they do a BL model then they should be able to do a first series G class simply by a change of paint scheme etc. Powerline did this. After there were a lot of changes made to these locomotives though but it might not be what the company is making in the model form. All G's got remotored as I remember with only minor changes made to their outside looks. Most probably to exhaust outlets in most cases. So there could well be 8 different versions of these locos but for all intents and purposes if the actual body did not change externally for changes made inside then it is just a standard model with appropriate numbers on it. One with an uprated motor and no changes made to the body at all are not really worth worrying about are they. I dont think that Austrains would do every variation of the G classes anyway as they would be better off offering the most changes in the 81 class but they are not even doing that as the original 81 class locomotives are not being done at all.
David Peters

David
Just a little correction, mate.
The BLs and Mk1 G's were fitted air conditioning as well. The unit was up against the wall same as an 81 Class and could be thankfully removed and replaced with a working one in a few hours using a fork lift. And they needed that as they were useless most of the time. An evaporator fan set into each cab roof (not externally visible) was switched on or off from the unit in the engine room. Which was a pain, because access sometimes meant walking down one side and crossing over to walk all the way back to get to the unit, and returning the same way. This sat well for those of us now retired, because ear muffs were something Canadians wore to keep their ears from falling off Sad Of course when these things broke down and you were running a wheattie in the heat, you got to travel both ways without a working air conditioner.
Cheers
Rod
  AdelaideHills Station Staff

Location: Southwestern Germany
G'day,

the whole thing is a mystery for me. Not much information, not many pictures! As I'm living on the other side of the globe is there anybody out there who can give me some 1st hand information about the whole thing? Like some other people I paid a deposit back in 2009 (well, the exchange rate that time was great at least ...) and some versions have been cancelled. I cannot be the only customer who is affected by these changes.
The bit of information that I can find tells me that the 81 and BL class in National Rail livery have been cancelled. Does this mean that my desposit will be held for a later run or do I get it back my deposit with the remaining locos? Any reliable information would be highly appreciated!

Best regards - I'm looking forward to some answers ...

Thomas
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

G'day,

the whole thing is a mystery for me. Not much information, not many pictures! As I'm living on the other side of the globe is there anybody out there who can give me some 1st hand information about the whole thing? Like some other people I paid a deposit back in 2009 (well, the exchange rate that time was great at least ...) and some versions have been cancelled. I cannot be the only customer who is affected by these changes.
The bit of information that I can find tells me that the 81 and BL class in National Rail livery have been cancelled. Does this mean that my desposit will be held for a later run or do I get it back my deposit with the remaining locos? Any reliable information would be highly appreciated!

Best regards - I'm looking forward to some answers ...

Thomas
AdelaideHills

Better that you contact John by email as I know that he has contacted a number of people by post who were thus effected by cancellations and road number changes, you may have fallen between the cracks.
  Indefatigable Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
G'day,

the whole thing is a mystery for me. Not much information, not many pictures! As I'm living on the other side of the globe is there anybody out there who can give me some 1st hand information about the whole thing? Like some other people I paid a deposit back in 2009 (well, the exchange rate that time was great at least ...) and some versions have been cancelled. I cannot be the only customer who is affected by these changes.
The bit of information that I can find tells me that the 81 and BL class in National Rail livery have been cancelled. Does this mean that my desposit will be held for a later run or do I get it back my deposit with the remaining locos? Any reliable information would be highly appreciated!

Best regards - I'm looking forward to some answers ...

Thomas
AdelaideHills


I found that calling him (during business hours) and politely asking about your specific circumstances helped. I ordered a candy 81 in October last year only to find both candy-livered runs were over-demanded and had long ago sold out. Considering, he has minimal influence over the performance of the factory responsible for the 81/G/BL project, and the mailing out of newly-arrived first-run stock is a busy time, I think he was pretty patient with me. He offered to amend my order to a Freightcorp or PN-liveried 81, but it's out of my era, so I'll just wait until there's a run of candy 81's again. Hope you get the answer you're after!

Cheers,
Ben
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
I found the same curteous response form John when i enquired regarding my V/Line versions.

He was quite appologetic about the factory stuffing him around by baulking late notice on doing the originally proposed versions / liveries / numbers, to whats seemingly being offered now (despite the fact his order forms dont actually reflect new road numbers yet Sad).

He told me what was now being released, and offered to refund the difference from what i originally ordered to whats now coming in my chosen livery, or change to other liveries should i wish to do so.

Despite the annoyance of delayed arrival of this model, I cant begrudge the man for his honesty in explaining the situation to me, despite the fact that he's the poor bugger being stuffed around by the factory.

Having said that, I've always found John to be honest and fairly easy to deal with, with due regard for the fact he's operating within a hobby / interest, where its never going to be possible to keep everyone happy all the time.

Regards
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I wonder if there will be any more FA G's at the Hobsons bay expo....
  ethansx49 Chief Train Controller

Location: Warrnambool
I personally find that as long as I ring between Business hours John is great to deal with.
  defman Station Master

Yo.
Got my 2 A.N BL's and a V/Line G in the mail today. Gave them a good run at the club layout. They went pretty well, look alright too. Any other feedback from people?
My only minor gripe was that the horns are pretty naff. One BL's horns were broken off in the box, while the others are pretty loose. I'll just replace them with brass ones.

They appear to run alright. Ran the three together with only minor "surging" going on, lighting looks alright, but note that I haven't used a stronger word than alright. They just don't 'blow' me away...
  Captain Underpants Train Controller

Yo.
Got my 2 A.N BL's and a V/Line G in the mail today. Gave them a good run at the club layout. They went pretty well, look alright too. Any other feedback from people?
My only minor gripe was that the horns are pretty naff. One BL's horns were broken off in the box, while the others are pretty loose. I'll just replace them with brass ones.

They appear to run alright. Ran the three together with only minor "surging" going on, lighting looks alright, but note that I haven't used a stronger word than alright. They just don't 'blow' me away...
defman

Maybe if you have this done to your lighting it might 'blow' you away.

http://www.dccsolutions.com.au/austrains-g-class
  Victralian Station Master

Location: Melbourne
I started to put a decoder into my BL and discovered all 4 screws under the bogies are burred.  This is the one with the loose lens.  Back to Mr E I think.  Why do they make it so hard to get jewelers screwdrivers in there?  Has anyone found an easy way to remove the four crews and thus the shell?


Peter
  Captain Underpants Train Controller

I started to put a decoder into my BL and discovered all 4 screws under the bogies are burred. This is the one with the loose lens. Back to Mr E I think. Why do they make it so hard to get jewelers screwdrivers in there? Has anyone found an easy way to remove the four crews and thus the shell?


Peter
Victralian

Peter,

Remove the brake cylinders off the bogies where the screws are then you will have clear access to the screws. They are not glued in and will pull out easy. Just put them somewhere safe so you don't loose them.

Cheers

Captain
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I had the privilege to sight some of these models today. My thoughts, I cancelled my order and am not disappointed that I did. I was reminded from a line from an old ex GF's favourite movie, 'I know you can be overwhelmed and you can be underwhelmed, but can you just be whelmed?' Well I was by the BL, not disappointing but also not worth the hype at all.
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Interesting view on the BL.
I have pondered whether to save up and snag a Classic Brass version ( or was it another producer? ) as that loco looks mightly fine...although mech wise its dated but that would not be an issue.

I have only seen the sample shots of the AN version but really can't get a good look until I see it in the flesh I guess.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Interesting view on the BL.
I have pondered whether to save up and snag a Classic Brass version ( or was it another producer? )
5711

Broad Gauge Models did the BL and G
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Thank you for that confirmation.
They remind me very much of the Classic Brass 81's that came out around the same time.
  Victralian Station Master

Location: Melbourne
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