Off peak fares under MYKI, no zone 2 fares

 
  gxh Junior Train Controller

Location: SE suburbs
... just wondering what you Mexicans think of the way Opal charges up here in NSW....
thadocta

Opal vs Myki, now there is a topic that could be discussed at length!     But the starting point is that Sydney fares aren't (in most cases) multi-modal.  But, broadly speaking, they are distance-based.  Until now, the complexity of different ticket systems on each mode of transport in Sydney has always made travelling in Sydney seem rather complicated for visitors from Melbourne (especially buses and even more so when you have to pre-pay - like, how does a visitor know how many sections they're going to travel?)
However, with Opal, these issues will won't matter to the user, because Opal will handle these things seamlessly.    Thus, Sydney is going to end up with the commendable outcome of distance-based fares, although most Melbourne people would probably not like one factor in the calculation being whether you transfer from one mode to another.

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  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
If I touch on at 3.50pm at Southern Cross and get a Geelong train after 4pm and touch off at Geelong station - will I get charge a peak fare or an off-peak fare?

If I touch on at Box Hill at 3.33pm and then go to Southern Cross and change Platforms without touching off and get the any train to Geelong (platform 15)after 4pm will I get charge a peak fare or an off-peak fare?


Going by this -Fares for all journeys in 3 or more zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off occurs within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm and 6pm on a business day. Victorian fares and ticketing manual page 43


I should be charged a off-peak fare


Has anyone tried touch on before 4pm at Southern Cross and get a peak service with myki money - did you get charged a off-peak fare or a peak fare?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I've used my myki for V/line services several times now and it's not predictable - particularly around the peak/off-peak charges. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason why I get charged the higher peak fares; I've been in well before 4pm before and seem to still get charged peak rates.

Just with regards to myki vs Opal, I wish we would go with a proper distance-based system like Sydney is going for. It's unreasonable to expect people who travel five tram stops to pay the same as someone coming in from Crannie/Pakenham/Werribee to the city.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
Just with regards to myki vs Opal, I wish we would go with a proper distance-based system like Sydney is going for. It's unreasonable to expect people who travel five tram stops to pay the same as someone coming in from Crannie/Pakenham/Werribee to the city.
don_dunstan


In Sydney threads: "We should have a zone system like Melbourne's."

In Melbourne threads: "We should have a distance system like Sydney's."
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
In Sydney threads: "We should have a zone system like Melbourne's."

In Melbourne threads: "We should have a distance system like Sydney's."
donttellmywife

The grass is always greener ........ Wink

There is no perfect system.  What we have are systems with greater and lesser capabilities and functionality.  The argument is as much around the system back-end as the customer interface.

Each user will have their own preferences.  Some might benefit from a time-based system alone with multi-modal functionality and unlimited transfers.  Melbourne offers that; Sydney does not.

Some other will benefit from a distance-based fares structure which does not usually include multimodal facilities.  Sydney offers this; Melbourne does not.

If every journey combination possible on a system were to be stored in the database and charged individually (as for example occurred under "paper" ticketing with Edmonson cards) then as things stand each individual point of contact - tap on / tap off by whatever jargon - will likely take a lot longer.  It is in everyone's interests to minimise that time.

London has what has been described as the "Rolls Royce" system when compared with Melbourne's "Rusty Holden Ute" but has sill chosen to reduce the complexity of the fares structure to a manageable level.  Graduated fares based entirely on distance have been replaced with six zones for most rail operations and at first four, then three, then four, then two for bus travel which is now at a standard fare irrespective of distance and time.  Bus routes are however generally much shorter than they were perhaps 25 years ago as the traditional lengthy cross-town routes have been broken into sections to improve reliability.

So while Londoners enjoy a mostly user-friendly system (not glitch-free but pretty good) they don't always benefit from distance-based fares.  The daily cap applies just as it does in Melbourne and is easily reached on a simple round-trip commute.  London has not lost sight of its tourists and occasional visitors and retains the paper-issue daily Travelcard available at all tube and suburban rail stations; they have never been sold on buses.

What system would I use were I in charge?  That depends on which location we are talking about.  But for Melbourne I would offer a smart card electronic system which does not require the user to rent ("buy" is a misnomer - you don't own the card) the card first.  That would sit alongside and be fully interfaced with the ability to purchase cash fares from bus drivers with a single-use non-transferable paper ticket, likewise for trains (sold from vending machines at unstaffed locations) and similarly with trams where a fairly simple coin-slot machine on board could issue paper single-trip tickets and possibly give change as well.  Bus and tram single-use tickets would be valid for one trip to the end of the journey irrespective of distance; train tickets for a maximum of 2 hours from time of issue.

That doesn't open the floodgates for the train tickets to be abused as unlimited-travel passes as all stations could be fitted with entry / exit gates; once the user left the station the gate would retain the ticket.  End of journey.  But two hours would have to be allowed to take account of the maximum cross-city travel time for example Pakenham - Sunbury.  The train tickets would be priced accordingly at a higher rate than bus or tram ones.

The smart card would operate on a combination of distance and time charged accordingly and with a daily cap set at the level of a return trip by train from the farthest suburban station to the City and back.  That also allows for an element of off-peak pricing as a tag on - tag off within the specified hours would be picked up and charged accordingly.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
If I touch on at 3.50pm at Southern Cross and get a Geelong train after 4pm and touch off at Geelong station - will I get charge a peak fare or an off-peak fare?

If I touch on at Box Hill at 3.33pm and then go to Southern Cross and change Platforms without touching off and get the any train to Geelong (platform 15)after 4pm will I get charge a peak fare or an off-peak fare?


Going by this -Fares for all journeys in 3 or more zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off occurs within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm and 6pm on a business day. Victorian fares and ticketing manual page 43


I should be charged a off-peak fare


Has anyone tried touch on before 4pm at Southern Cross and get a peak service with myki money - did you get charged a off-peak fare or a peak fare?
melbtrip

Melbtrip, I am not sure why you are asking questions, because if there is one person here that would know, it would be you.
If you look here at the appropriate page in V/Line, you will find your answer in regard to peak/off peak fares.
I have had no problems with the issue at hand, even touching on by 1559hrs, catching a train 1/2 later, and still getting the off peak fare. You presumably have to touch off within a reasonable amount of time.
Any complaints, may I suggest you email/ring Myki or V/Line.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Melbtrip, I am not sure why you are asking questions, because if there is one person here that would know, it would be you.
If you look here at the appropriate page in V/Line, you will find your answer in regard to peak/off peak fares.
I have had no problems with the issue at hand, even touching on by 1559hrs, catching a train 1/2 later, and still getting the off peak fare. You presumably have to touch off within a reasonable amount of time.
Any complaints, may I suggest you email/ring Myki or V/Line.
xxxxlbear

In theory - in both cases I should be changed an off-peak fare but in real world does this happen- I will find out this coming Monday.

V-Line""If you touch on at a peak time but catch an off peak V/Line service (someone might arrive early or get something to eat in the station complex) and touch off when your off-peak train arrives, are you charged a peak or off-peak fare?myki only knows what time, and where and when a customer touches on and off and applies the appropriate fare.
A peak fare is applied where touch off happens in Zone 1 before 9 am on a weekday and when touch on occurs in Zone 1 between 4 pm and 6pm on a weekday.
Customers taking an off peak journey are advised to touch on appropriately for that journey as they risk paying a higher fare by touching on in a peak period."


So - when comes to Monday - I will touch on at 3.50pm at Southern Cross and get the 16:19 to Geelong - I should be charged a off-peak fare.

I will report back and tell what happen on Monday.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Gwiwer: Why not have gone with the original idea of disposable tickets that can still be recharged? The original way it was set up to operate wasn't nearly as user-unfriendly and they didn't save much money by removing those key areas of functionality.

Just with respect to multiple zones; I feel that if we are trying to fund a Rolls Royce system in order to keep our city ahead of the congestion being caused by 90,000 or so people extra EVERY YEAR - then maybe we should be looking at greater cost recovery from people who use services for extremely long distances across the city.  The trade off being that the extra money being collected should go towards longer distance express services from eastern locales to the airport so that people in the east can more easily access Tullamarine.

It would help negate the need for a third airport in Gippsland and the bonus would be that Gippsland could finally expect fast transit times to the city like the western V/line services are about to get.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Gwiwer: Why not have gone with the original idea of disposable tickets that can still be recharged?

It's certainly an option.

I feel that if we are trying to fund a Rolls Royce system in order to keep our city ahead of the congestion being caused by 90,000 or so people extra EVERY YEAR - then maybe we should be looking at greater cost recovery from people who use services

Personally I am in favour of the user paying a greater proportion of their travel costs than they now do but that is another argument for another place.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
There has to be SERVICE ie punctual, regular, clean, and reliable plus free of bogans/drunks and druggies etc  before you can sell and charge more for it. In Melbourne we have none of the former and far too many of the latter.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Public transport is transport for all.  In many places around the world you find bogans, drunks, drug users and the like around the systems.  Railways stations have long been a popular hangout even for those whose only trip is chemically-induced.

If there was a single answer I'm sure it would have been implemented long ago and possibly made someone a lot of money.

Melbourne suffers unduly because it is largely an open network.  There is no entry control at most railway stations, there is relatively little chance of being stopped and asked for a ticket on a tram and it is only the buses where the driver has any sort of control over those boarding.

If we had controlled entry to every station it would require a member of staff in attendance there to manage any difficulties.  Their role could also include customer service and (shock horror) even ticket sales or meaningful assistance with the machines.  Currently we have no such assistance at most stations most of the time yet it has been felt desirable to employ two armed guards every night at many places.  

We got rid of tram connies years ago but there were derros riding trams and significant fare evasion even before then.  Bracks attempted to placate some of the complaints by funding Tram Atendants who would ride trams and provide customer service with their presence also intended to deter fare evasion and unsocial behaviour.  Neither of the then two privatised operators was remotely interested in matching the state funding and increasing their numbers as Bracks had intended and despite a lot of positive feedback their numbers dwindled and they are effectively no longer a feature of YT's operations; a few long-serving ones are still employed and have been moved into other roles.

Myki is not the answer to antisocial behaviour.  Zero-tolerance would help.  But the community is too often up in arms about "thugs" when ticket inspectors are involved in often difficult and sometimes violent situations.  Who is the thug here?  

Securing our stations will go some way to reducing the number of fare evaders and antisocial users.  In some cases active intervention by passengers can help such as asking someone to desist from smoking or swearing - but it needs to be done with a bit of care.  In Germany you would have been very smartly corrected by almost everyone if you had even inadvertently lit up in a "nichtraucher" (non-smoking carriage) while in the UK today if your mobile rings or you make a call - or if your personal music device is audible to others - in a Quiet Coach you can expect to be firmly told by others to be quiet or move.

We must take some responsibility for ourselves.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
The Entitlement to Fare Evade is like a virus spreading throughout the system. I'll use Bus Route 200 as an example. It starts in Bulleen and meanders through Balwyn North and Kew, before heading down Johnston St, Lygon St, then terminating at the city. During the peaks, this is a very popular service.

On Monday; the proverbial "Mr Suit" boards my bus on Kilby Rd, Kew. He touches on and greets me with a friendly hello. On Johnston Street, a drug-f**ked bogan gets on the bus. When he just walks on the bus without paying, I demand he touch on or leave the bus. I am violently bashed and spat on.

On Tuesday; Mr Suit again boards my bus on Kilby Rd. He touches on and greets me with a friendly hello. On Johnston Street, a drug-f**ked bogan gets on the bus. When he just walks on the bus without paying, I ignore him; cowering away in fear of another attack.

On Wednesday; Mr Suit once again boards my bus on Kilby Rd. He touches on and greets me with a friendly hello. On Johnston Street, a drug-f**ked bogan gets on the bus. When he just walks on the bus without paying, I ignore him; cowering away in fear of another attack. Mr Suit remarks that I'm letting that scum steal from my employer and the taxpayer.

On Thursday; Mr Suit again boards my bus on Kilby Rd. This time he does not touch on, when I request that he touch on, he angrily remarks that it's "discrimination" that I try to stop him while I let derros from Johnston St get away with stealing. So he too gets a free ride.

On Friday; drunks are drinking, druggies are shooting up, whores are looking for customers, vandals are giving the bus a new livery, and they all know that there's sweet all I can do about it.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
The Entitlement to Fare Evade is like a virus spreading throughout the system. I'll use Bus Route 200 as an example. It starts in Bulleen and meanders through Balwyn North and Kew, before heading down Johnston St, Lygon St, then terminating at the city. During the peaks, this is a very popular service.

On Monday; the proverbial "Mr Suit" boards my bus on Kilby Rd, Kew. He touches on and greets me with a friendly hello. On Johnston Street, a drug-f**ked bogan gets on the bus. When he just walks on the bus without paying, I demand he touch on or leave the bus. I am violently bashed and spat on.

On Tuesday; Mr Suit again boards my bus on Kilby Rd. He touches on and greets me with a friendly hello. On Johnston Street, a drug-f**ked bogan gets on the bus. When he just walks on the bus without paying, I ignore him; cowering away in fear of another attack.

On Wednesday; Mr Suit once again boards my bus on Kilby Rd. He touches on and greets me with a friendly hello. On Johnston Street, a drug-f**ked bogan gets on the bus. When he just walks on the bus without paying, I ignore him; cowering away in fear of another attack. Mr Suit remarks that I'm letting that scum steal from my employer and the taxpayer.

On Thursday; Mr Suit again boards my bus on Kilby Rd. This time he does not touch on, when I request that he touch on, he angrily remarks that it's "discrimination" that I try to stop him while I let derros from Johnston St get away with stealing. So he too gets a free ride.

On Friday; drunks are drinking, druggies are shooting up, whores are looking for customers, vandals are giving the bus a new livery, and they all know that there's sweet all I can do about it.
alstom_888m

This what should happen in my view:
There should be a weekly cap in place for people to do the right thing: If you pay 4 daily caps in zone you travel in (Monday to Sunday) and then rest of the week to Sunday should be free!

On Monday; the proverbial "Mr Suit" boards my bus on Kilby Rd, Kew. He touches on and greets me with a friendly hello. On Johnston Street, a person infected by drugs gets on the bus. When he just walks on the bus without paying, the bus driver friendly reminds the customer it a requirement they need to touch on because AO may be on board and then let people on. If person does not touch on - bus driver records the date and time and location where person does not touch on and radio ahead to see if an Authorized officers can meet up with the service.


On Tuesday; the proverbial "Mr Suit" boards my bus on Kilby Rd, Kew. He touches on and greets me with a friendly hello. On Johnston Street, a person infected by drugs gets on the bus. When he just walks on the bus without paying, the bus driver friendly reminds the customer it a requirement they need to touch on because AO may be on board and then let people on. If person does not touch on - bus driver records the date and time and location where person does not touch on and radio ahead to see if an Authorized officers can meet up with the service.


Fast track to Friday: the proverbial "Mr Suit" boards my bus on Kilby Rd, Kew. Knowing He has paid for 4 days and today he will be getting free travel - He touches on and greets me with a friendly hello.

person infected by drugs gets on the bus. When he just walks on the bus without paying, the bus driver friendly reminds the customer it a requirement they need to touch on because AO may be on board and then let people on. If person does not touch on - bus driver records the date and time and location where person does not touch on and radio ahead to see if an Authorized officers can meet up with the service.

If there is a problem on the bus or at railway station because of people not paying their way - the best solution is staff at these locations is record the details when it happens and let person go and then PTV should have data where people not paying their fares and then ticket checks at the location to report people not paying for their public transport fare!

It not up to the Bus drive or the railway staff to make sure the person to pay the fare to use public transport - It PTV responsibility to make sure person buys a fare and touches on the bus or at the railway station.

PTV should not be pass the buck on to these staff, but should be doing their job and doing more ticket checks on public transport services and make sure people are paying their way.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
It not up to the Bus drive or the railway staff to make sure the person to pay the fare to use public transport

I think you will find that it is.

If you prefer a system where front-line staff have no revenue protection responsibility whatsoever then you are going to need a lot more enforcement staff everywhere to somehow control the rampant fare evasion and the sharp increase in antisocial behaviour which will occur. And those staff have to be paid meaning network costs escalate sharply meaning fares rise to cover at least some of those costs ..... you have a circle of events from which it can become hard to break out.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
What should happen is simple.

  • The druggie is requested to purchase a fare.

  • If s/he refuses, then the bus does not move until the fare evader pays up, or leaves the vehicle. All passengers are informed of why the bus isn't moving.

  • And if nothing happens, backup, in whatever form that may take such as AOs, another staff member etc, is requested.


But the point is, the bus does NOT move until the fare is paid, or the fare evader leaves the bus. The driver needs some balls to be able to do this.
I have been on a few buses, especially in the days when I was living at Yarra Junction, and regularly catching the Chirnside Park to Warburton bus, whre people tried to get a free ride.
Obviously, this may not work in all situations, but when the fare evader realises that the bus is indeed the last bus of the night (in some cases), they soon realise that paying for a fare is better option than holding up a full bus of angry passengers and then being ejected from the bus with no way to get home.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
In London, if you are caught fare evading you are dragged before the courts to explain why you did not pay your fare. If it's a honest mistake you are fined £80, but those who habitually fare evade, just walk on without paying, jump the barriers, etc. can be fined up to £1000, face 3 months in prison, and given a criminal conviction. This is London, not some third-world backwater.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
Whereas in Melbourne we pussy-foot around the problem for fear of upsetting someone (who, exactly?) and give fare-evaders a slap on the wrist.  Serial evaders do get stung by the increasing fines and the first-offence fine is at the same level as London's but we also need to shift the culture away from "something-for-nothing" or some perceived right to travel without payment.  That is part of the underlying issue.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
In theory - in both cases I should be changed an off-peak fare but in real world does this happen- I will find out this coming Monday.

V-Line""If you touch on at a peak time but catch an off peak V/Line service (someone might arrive early or get something to eat in the station complex) and touch off when your off-peak train arrives, are you charged a peak or off-peak fare?myki only knows what time, and where and when a customer touches on and off and applies the appropriate fare.
A peak fare is applied where touch off happens in Zone 1 before 9 am on a weekday and when touch on occurs in Zone 1 between 4 pm and 6pm on a weekday.
Customers taking an off peak journey are advised to touch on appropriately for that journey as they risk paying a higher fare by touching on in a peak period."


So - when comes to Monday - I will touch on at 3.50pm at Southern Cross and get the 16:19 to Geelong - I should be charged a off-peak fare.

I will report back and tell what happen on Monday.
melbtrip

Update:
It works - I touch on at 3:49 pm and when to Southern Cross and did not touch off and got an V/Line train after 4pm.

After I touch off in - it change me an off-peak fare
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Update:
It works - I touch on at 3:49 pm and when to Southern Cross and did not touch off and got an V/Line train after 4pm.

After I touch off in - it change me an off-peak fare
melbtrip

Will you please go away, you were told the exact same thing a few days ago.

Dave
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
On Friday; drunks are drinking, druggies are shooting up, whores are looking for customers, vandals are giving the bus a new livery, and they all know that there's sweet all I can do about it.
alstom_888m

Alstom_888m:

I've said this to you before but you need to stop worrying about it because nobody (including management) cares so why should you? I feel your pain in trying to do a good job at work but honestly - you can't let the things that are beyond your control worry you because if you do you'll end up being a nervous wreak and they'll blame YOU for that.

You can't take personal responsibility for the whole system being rubbish - it's probably Liberal government policy that public transport should not present an attractive alternative to being a motorist - so just go with the flow and worry about your own back yard (and your mortgage, rent, superannuation, kids, health, whatever).
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Whereas in Melbourne we pussy-foot around the problem for fear of upsetting someone (who, exactly?) and give fare-evaders a slap on the wrist. Serial evaders do get stung by the increasing fines and the first-offence fine is at the same level as London's but we also need to shift the culture away from "something-for-nothing" or some perceived right to travel without payment. That is part of the underlying issue.
Gwiwer

The horse has well and truly bolted on that one.  It started when they progressively removed staff from the system in the 1990's and I honestly think there's not too much point in worrying about it now, the cost of fare evasion is built in to the system.  Maybe lowering the price of fares even further will help - as per the title of this thread - but I think in all honesty that 90 percent compliance is pretty good considering the very slim chances of being caught.

If I wanted to I could probably get away with not paying any fares - or only do it when I really have to - and it would probably be worth it. The only reason I don't do it is because I can't be bothering being vigilant for the "Met dogs" (as I once heard someone describe them!).  Otherwise I could probably get away with it for at least six to twelve months and not even have to bother physically running away from them.  In the meantime you probably save at least a grand over the cost of the fine.

There's no sense in losing sleep over it - Denis Napthine doesn't, I can assure you.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Okay Don. On your two most recent posts you've had not so subtle digs at the current state government. You know that while I don't mind when someone sticks it to a political party when they deserve it, I get mildly annoyed at (what I see as) unfairly politically partisan attacks.

Personally I think the current mob have improved things on trains at least, by deploying PSO's at all major and mid level train stations. I feel a lot safer getting the train at night and vandalism has decreased too. Sadly, this hasn't improved things much on buses, but they certainly haven't got any worse either.

So to demonstrate that you weren't making unfair attacks, please tell us how the political team that you barrack for did things better when they were responsible for security on public transport?
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Okay Don. On your two most recent posts you've had not so subtle digs at the current state government. You know that while I don't mind when someone sticks it to a political party when they deserve it, I get mildly annoyed at (what I see as) unfairly politically partisan attacks.

Personally I think the current mob have improved things on trains at least, by deploying PSO's at all major and mid level train stations. I feel a lot safer getting the train at night and vandalism has decreased too. Sadly, this hasn't improved things much on buses, but they certainly haven't got any worse either.

So to demonstrate that you weren't making unfair attacks, please tell us how the political team that you barrack for did things better when they were responsible for security on public transport?
Bogong

Vandalism on trains  has not decreased on the Metro train at all, but has increase at greater rate after Metro took over.

Infact the Melbourne Metro train service has become one big  international joke, for example when Hugh Jackman took the train in Melbourne and these pictures where shown on overseas countries on thier tv sets:



  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
For some time now I've been wondering what would happen in this situation.
What if you touch on at Southern Cross just before the hour and travel to Bendigo when the conductor doesn't check your myki.
Since over two full hours would pass before arrival at Bendigo the next touch at a myki reader could be either -
a touch off and charge for a 4-hour zone 1-13 fare product or
a touch off, charge for a 2-hour zone 1+2 default fare, and touch on.
Has anyone found out?
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
For some time now I've been wondering what would happen in this situation.
What if you touch on at Southern Cross just before the hour and travel to Bendigo when the conductor doesn't check your myki.
Since over two full hours would pass before arrival at Bendigo the next touch at a myki reader could be either -
a touch off and charge for a 4-hour zone 1-13 fare product or
a touch off, charge for a 2-hour zone 1+2 default fare, and touch on.
Has anyone found out?
Gauntlet

You have answered your own question.
You will be charged a Myki fare for travel zones 1-13 as you are travelling within the Myki zones.
BUT if you touch on again for your return trip within the 4 hour window (I think it's 4 hours) of your first touch on, your return trip will be free. (ie touch on at 1255hrs for the 1315hrs train to Bendigo. Arrive Bendigo at 1512hrs. And you have 4 hours from 1300hrs to touch on for your complimentary trip back to Southern Cross). Simple.
Whether the conductor checks your Myki or not is irrelevant.

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