Aerial Photography using drones

 
  alantrains Train Controller

Location: Brisbane Qld
Hi all,
I just saw this youtube of the Tehachapi Loop. Amazing footage.
Just wondering if anyone has seen anything like this of the border loop? I know most trains travel the loop in darkness, but it would be amazing to watch.

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  alantrains Train Controller
  UpperQuad Locomotive Fireman

Location: 184.8 miles to Sydney
Tehachapi Loop. Amazing footage.
Just wondering if anyone has seen anything like this of the border loop?
alantrains

Max train length on the NSW North Coast is 1500m, barely enough to stretch around the spiral.
Drone footage of trains is novelty crap.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Watch out ! CASA Is no fan of private (unknown to them) drones flying around Australian air space.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

It'll be little wonder when the relevant authorities restrict operation of these 'craft' about any airspace in the vicinity of all forms of heavy transportation

Jet-ski's of the sky
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Watch out ! CASA Is no fan of private (unknown to them) drones flying around Australian air space.
"Nightfire"

Yes, I believe there were also a number of complaints about invasion of privacy by people filming with drone after the Lithgow bushfires.

I believe someone filmed footage within the zig zag depot, and posted it online before member of the society were permitted back on the property. Then a few days later they suffered from a substantial cooper theft!
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
It'll be little wonder when the relevant authorities restrict operation of these 'craft' about any airspace in the vicinity of all forms of heavy transportation

Jet-ski's of the sky
gw0071

They already are. All operators need to be licenced (basically the same as a helicopter licence) and log all flight plans. They are restricted to areas just as much as any other helicopter is.
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

They already are. All operators need to be licenced (basically the same as a helicopter licence) and log all flight plans. They are restricted to areas just as much as any other helicopter is.
johnboy

That may apply if the drone is being used for commercial purposes, but if it is not being used for a commercial purpose but rather as a hobby and the operator is not making any money from the drone's use then he/she does not need to be licensed. There are guidelines regarding where the drone should not be used , eg, in restricted airspace or flying it over areas where there are people around, like a park or beach, and there is a height limit. All this information is provided in a brochure that is given to you when you purchase the drone. The drone I have had experience with is very "smart".  It has GPS software that detects if you are in restricted airspace and will not take off. It will also warn you if it detects that restricted airspace is near. Having said that, I expect that the rules will change soon as more of these machines are purchased and inevitably some idiot uses one irresponsibly resulting in an accident. There has already been an incident where somebody crashed one into the Harbour Bridge.
Images that have been "donated" are already appearing in magazines such as "Motive Power" and "Australian Railway Illustrated".
BW
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

The video link in this thread didn't look particularly restricted

Perhaps it's considered acceptable if its an amateur operator...
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

Hi all,
I just saw this youtube of the Tehachapi Loop. Amazing footage.
Just wondering if anyone has seen anything like this of the border loop? I know most trains travel the loop in darkness, but it would be amazing to watch.
alantrains

Watching a full length train grind its way around Tehachapi loop must be one of the world's great railway spectacles. Itsdifficult to convey via video or photo just how awesome the sight is. The first few minutes of this clip from my 2012 visit was my first attempt. I'm going back in September to have another go.
BW



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJjNzTKgFWo
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Watching a full length train grind its way around Tehachapi loop must be one of the world's great railway spectacles. Itsdifficult to convey via video or photo just how awesome the sight is. The first few minutes of this clip from my 2012 visit was my first attempt. I'm going back in September to have another go.
BW



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJjNzTKgFWo
Bevan Wall

There are quite a few areas around Tehachapi Pass where trespassers are prohibited and the Rail Road Bulls (Police) take delight in shopping those that enter prohibited areas. And you wont just get a slap on the wrist either. These guys carry real guns, possibility the M16s AMTRAK police carry at Grand Central station NY who politely asked me to stop taking photos. He did say it was a stupid rule and was sure I was not a terrorist but they were the rules. I was very happy with his politeness.

When I saw Drone Photographer I thought someone was being rather unkind to rail photographic fans.

Rod
  PeeJay Junior Train Controller

Location: Riverstone NSW
I've been playing around with drones for the last few years, and finally have one that produces good enough video to bother with it. Here is a test I did over Glenbrook Creek, testing the camera gimbal and various other things. There is a bit of camera shake because I had the Gopro on narrow view, but on wide it works well (if you don't mind the fisheye).

I've been doing a bit of scouting to find places I can fly. Cowan Bank is ok. There are a few places in the mountians (Lapstone viaduct and the straight just before it look promising).
Does any one know if you can drive to the foot of the Hawkesburry river bridge from Brooklyn, or is it only a walking track?
  PeeJay Junior Train Controller

Location: Riverstone NSW
Here is my latest attempt



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbAwwK62R2o
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
It probably wouldn't be funny for the owner if Jethro out there in Banjo country took a dislike at the strange lookin critter buzzin round and opened up with crow deterrent system .......

Jethro 12 Crow 0 .
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
They already are. All operators need to be licenced (basically the same as a helicopter licence) and log all flight plans. They are restricted to areas just as much as any other helicopter is.
"johnboy"
Absolute rubbish. Do us the courtesy of at least glancing over the relevant rules before you make comments such as these.
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
I am referring to commercial photography, (or any videos/filming making an income which includes train videos that are for sale) and as that is my trade, I have more than glanced the rules.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Federal Parliament Inquiry into drones and the regulation of air safety and privacy "Eyes in the sky" http://www.cnet.com/au/news/parliament-committee-warns-about-drone-privacy/

Longer report itself with Appendix C of this is the Civil Aviation Safety Authority drone safety pamphlet http://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/02%20parliamentary%20business/24%20committees/243%20reps%20committees/social%20policy%20and%20legal%20affairs/drones/fullreport.pdf

More for those interested http://www.peteraclarke.com.au/2014/07/14/house-of-representatives-hands-down-report-on-drones-eyes-in-the-sky/

Federal Police also using them https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/posts/10152228017700821

EDIT;  From the CASA safety pamphlet quoted; If you are in controlled air space, which covers most Australian cities, you must not fly higher than 400 feet (120 metres) and not within 5.5 km of an airfield, you must not fly over any populous area such as beaches, other people's backyards, heavily populated parks, or sports ovals where there is a game in progress.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
michelle12 reported in http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1929123.htm#1929123 a drone was in use at traralgon last weekend.  the drone was taking pictures of the steamrail trip.
  torana Station Master

Location: Menangle.N.S.W.
In a recent Publication of a Magazine, [the name escapes me at present] like Motive Power or similar.
There is a centre spread colour Photograph of 3 Centenial Coal Locomtives heading west out of Lithgow with about 100 wagons in tow.
It is a great Photograph,and it too was taken from a Drone.As the details of taking Photos using drones was written below the photo,and it will become a very popular way of taking photos in the future.
Maybe we will see lots of GREAT Photographs taken from Drones in the future.

torana. Dave.   Kings Park.n.s.w.
  BrianBS Locomotive Driver

.........................................................EDIT; From the CASA safety pamphlet quoted; If you are in controlled air space, which covers most Australian cities, you must not fly higher than 400 feet (120 metres) and not within 5.5 km of an airfield, you must not fly over any populous area such as beaches, other people's backyards, heavily populated parks, or sports ovals where there is a game in progress.
petan

Last night on the Brisbane News there was some footage taken from a drone over Surfers Paradise. Although the footage was quite spectacular, the drone operator broke many rules - greatly exceeded the 400ft limit by flying above the 2 tallest buildings on the coast, flew along the beach above the people on the sand at a relatively low height (maybe around 50-60ft ???), and flew over heavily populated areas. The crew of the local surf rescue helicopter made a comment that if it hit a drone over the beach there could be a significant disaster - because of its small size it would not be seen until collision avoidance would be difficult, and that it effectively would be equal to a large bird strike.

The authorities were not impressed and intend pursuing this bloke.

I reckon it's idiots like this that will encourage the authorities to put a total ban on private use of drones.
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
Last night on the Brisbane News there was some footage taken from a drone over Surfers Paradise. Although the footage was quite spectacular, the drone operator broke many rules - greatly exceeded the 400ft limit by flying above the 2 tallest buildings on the coast, flew along the beach above the people on the sand at a relatively low height (maybe around 50-60ft ???), and flew over heavily populated areas. The crew of the local surf rescue helicopter made a comment that if it hit a drone over the beach there could be a significant disaster - because of its small size it would not be seen until collision avoidance would be difficult, and that it effectively would be equal to a large bird strike.

The authorities were not impressed and intend pursuing this bloke.

I reckon it's idiots like this that will encourage the authorities to put a total ban on private use of drones.
BrianBS

I didnt see that bulletin. If he was a commercial operator, there may not be any breach. The production team I do some work for spent over $300,000 last year just in hiring commercial operators to ensure it is all compliant. CASA often follows up with all footage that goes to air to ensure it was obtained legally.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
They already are. All operators need to be licenced (basically the same as a helicopter licence) and log all flight plans. They are restricted to areas just as much as any other helicopter is.
Absolute rubbish. Do us the courtesy of at least glancing over the relevant rules before you make comments such as these.
I am referring to commercial photography, (or any videos/filming making an income which includes train videos that are for sale) and as that is my trade, I have more than glanced the rules.
Johnboy

KRviator

johnboy

That is not what you said, though it might be what you were thinking of. There is no requirement for all UAV/model plane operators to be certificated, or for them to lodge a flight plan with any air traffic control agency for all flights. Commercial operations require a certificated operator, but for private flights? Certainly not.

And as for the turdburgler flying over the Gold Coast...HERE's the video, including footage of the knobhead himself.

Given he doesn't know what, if any, laws he's broken, I think it's a safe assumption that he isn't a commercial operator, so let's start with:
CASR 101.055 (1) and (3), 101.075, 101.085, 101.245, 101.250 and 101.280. I'm sure CASA can find a few more if they can be bothered - and in this instance, I hope they do! If you don't know what you're doing, or at the very least, how to do it safely, you're not only endangering yourself, but others around you, and that isn't cool.

I can say I'm less than impressed with his antics - particularly as I can be flying down the beach at 500' AGL and well over 200mph right where he was flying his new toy.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
I can say I'm less than impressed with his antics - particularly as I can be flying down the beach at 500' AGL and well over 200mph right where he was flying his new toy.
KRviator

Seen military do that there at low height many times only somewhat faster.
  tinkerer Beginner

Per jay

You seemed very close to power lines to the right of shot. Just be careful because if you run into the power lines not only will you damage your quad, but you could be chased by the utility company for any damage caused to the power line.

They do the same if a car hits a power pole, they chase the driver/ drivers insurance company for costs.
  darcyj Chief Train Controller

The legalities aside, that is probably the most annoying noise I will ever hear.

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