Vline service crashes into Metro Train at Galvin

 
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I take it this was a relatively minor bump given no ones mentioned it yet?

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/train-crash-at-altona-leaves-nine-injured-20140822-107h4m.html

Edit - maybe not, herald sun shows a V/locity (1105) has run up the back of a Comeng (427m) with what looks like more than minor damage to the V/locity cab.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/several-injured-after-vline-and-metro-trains-collide-in-melbournes-west/story-fni0fit3-1227033753593

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Received a call from a friend on-site. The accident is close to Galvin/Altona.

Speculation the Metro Train stopped account the track being blocked.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Thanks for then post ikernan.

Is the standard gauge affected at all ?

I notice nothing through buncam for a while.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Several trains are being held in Melbourne for the western line. These include MP1 and MP5 and maybe MP7.

Also 3PM6 Is in North Geelong. Interesting to see if this train makes it through.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Thanks bevans.

Any reason the metro train was stopped at that location. That is mid section from memory ?
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Am I right in the assumption the VLocity wouldn't have any protection at all? (no TPWS the city side of Werribee, and not fitted with train stops at all)
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The abc is reporting the vline train was empty returning from Geelong. Both the vline conductor and the driver were both injured.

The abc reports the metro train was stopped at the level crossing.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
3PM6 lead by NR5 has been stopped on the down side of Werribee.  The SG could be closed nearest the accident.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
Probably the flagship on it's way back (last I saw, it returned empty to Melbourne, split, then each ran other services). I suspect the conductor would only travel in the drivers compartment out of service (well who else are you going to talk to?).
  Bullucked Assistant Commissioner

Anyone got any piccies of Velocities or the Warrnambool goods going around the back?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Anyone got any piccies of Velocities or the Warrnambool goods going around the back?
Bullucked


Did the Warnnambool Goods run?  I cannot find it on the buncam stream?

Michelle?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Anyone got any piccies of Velocities or the Warrnambool goods going around the back?
Bullucked

vline where shuttling to Werribee from the west, with their site suggesting thats still occurring as i type. One has to wonder how many vline crews are route qualified on the altona loop, so not sure many/any vline trains would have gone via the loop.

someone with more understanding may clarify.
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter


Speculation the Metro Train stopped account the track being blocked.
bevans

Really, the fact that the Metro train had stopped has got nothing to do with the fact as to why the V/Line train did not stop at the previous signal. Thus preventing this incident. IF there was a signal failure the signals are designed to go back to stop.
I await the report.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Public Transport Victoria are now saying the line could be closed de days.

Why ?

What could they be doing for days ?
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Screenshot from today's Weekend Sunrise news clip. https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/24790737/news-break-august-23/

The other end of the lead VLocity set, double ouch!.
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I was listening to metro and the guy in the Newport box and
He was giving Verbal permission to pass 162
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Really, the fact that the Metro train had stopped has got nothing to do with the fact as to why the V/Line train did not stop at the previous signal. Thus preventing this incident. IF there was a signal failure the signals are designed to go back to stop.
I await the report.
Shacks

I think you will find that if it was an automatic signal, then provisions exist to pass it at stop. Same as NSW for automatics.
  Spion_Kop Station Master

Really, the fact that the Metro train had stopped has got nothing to do with the fact as to why the V/Line train did not stop at the previous signal. Thus preventing this incident. IF there was a signal failure the signals are designed to go back to stop.
I await the report.
Shacks

What proof do you have that the V/Line train did not stop at the last signal be it Auto or Home
  Spion_Kop Station Master

I was listening to metro and the guy in the Newport box and
He was giving Verbal permission to pass 162
X'Trapolis-904M

Post or signal 162 protects Newport Sth junction. Is nowhere near collision site and would have no involvement in it.
  Spion_Kop Station Master

Maidstone St level crossing is protected by an Automatic signal. That signal may have been at stop causing the Metro train to be at stop. How long it was sitting there we won't know until report comes out. What track was it on as both lines are bidirectional. The distance from that signal and the previous is about 1.3 km away. If the previous signal was at stop then according to the rules the V/Line train should not have been travelling any more than 25 Kph. Could there been a rail detection fault that may have caused the previous signal not to revert to stop. Also it has been reported that vandals have in recent times been painting over the marker lights of Metro trains
Very lucky that no serious injuries or death occurred.

Don't blame anyone until NTSB has completed their report.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Don't blame anyone until NTSB has completed their report.
Spion_Kop

I trust you actually mean the ATSB.

The NTSB is the American National Transport Safety Bureau, and frequent reference on Air Crash Investigation and Seconds from Disaster. I understand it is easy to confuse them.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
Did the Warnnambool Goods run? I cannot find it on the buncam stream?

Michelle?
bevans

It was held in Nth Geelong till this morning where it ran Via Ballarat.
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
When passing a signal at stop, when authorized to do so, you are to proceed at a speed where you can safely stop short of any obstruction. I have had situations where I have traveled at less than 5km/h due to the conditions.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
When passing a signal at stop, when authorized to do so, you are to proceed at a speed where you can safely stop short of any obstruction. I have had situations where I have traveled at less than 5km/h due to the conditions.
Shacks

You sure its not:
"Must control the speed of the train at extreme caution. Extreme caution is being defined as being able to stop the train in half the distance that can be seen ahead, not exceeding 25km/h or the posted track speed if lower, and always being prepared to find the section occupied, or obstructed, or the track damaged"

There is a difference between NSW restricted speed and VIC extreme caution.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Really, the fact that the Metro train had stopped has got nothing to do with the fact as to why the V/Line train did not stop at the previous signal. Thus preventing this incident. IF there was a signal failure the signals are designed to go back to stop.
"Shacks"
What signals are designed to do, and what actually happens in the real world are not necessarily the same. I've had a signal give me a full clear road into a section occupied by an oncoming train. I've seen a 3-aspect automatic - with several other autos ahed of it - go from stop to full clear when following another loaded train home when it should have given us a caution indication first and have heard many other reports of wrong-side failures of signalling equipment from Drivers who actually experienced them. The signalling system is not infallible.

When passing a signal at stop, when authorized to do so, you are to proceed at a speed where you can safely stop short of any obstruction
"Shacks"
Only for automatics... Speed beyond a Controlled signal may be track speed based on information from the Signaller.

If something like vandalism was a factor in this event, I hope it will prove to both the Police and the softcock magistrates that their slap-on-the-wrist treatment of scrotes has led to them taking bigger risks under the belief that even if caught, nothing will happen. Sadly something like that wouldn't surprise me.

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