Chinese locos for Queensland

 
  M636C Minister for Railways

Are they radial bogies ?

They mechanically look like the SD70ACe bogies, which I'm fond of but know little about.

Whopping clearance under the fuel tank, doesn't look normal, although the 2800 has a good deal of it. I realise it needs to clear the railhead when it falls off.
DBclass

The bogies are said to have radial steering capability.

I think the fuel capacity is limited to keep the weight down to 120 tonnes.

This is just my impression but they might be planning a heavier standard gauge version with the 20V4000 R53 engine....

M636C

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  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Photo from China prior to shipping, had not sighted this shot previously

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  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
The bogies are said to have radial steering capability.

I think the fuel capacity is limited to keep the weight down to 120 tonnes.

This is just my impression but they might be planning a heavier standard gauge version with the 20V4000 R53 engine....

M636C
M636C

If they do steer I wonder how they compare to the EDI type. They sure look cleaner. The swing arm axlebox on the EDI products are so jam packed and full of weight. These like the AD70ACe are very minimal looking. Maybe they were too far down the road to change ?
  GS4 Train Controller

The 88's are now at Nebo , about 1.5 hours west of Sarina.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The 88's are now at Nebo , about 1.5 hours west of Sarina.
GS4


Not exactly....

Nebo is a real town some distance from the line.

PN has a large yard they also call Nebo (a copy of Coppabella that belongs to Aurizon but a bit further East ). They aren't there either...

There is a ballast quarry just East of PN Nebo where there is a siding on the main used for crew changes, also called Nebo by PN.

Next to the ballast hopper there is a fairly new commissioning shed and the five 88 class are there.

The sign on the ballast quarry says  "Waitara" as the location.

There is an ex NSW PCX cement wagon, on a 36 foot Tulloch MLV underframe, without bogies acting as sand storage. I guess that's as far North as one of those ever made it.

On 22 June not much seemed to have happened to them. Some still had protective covers on the horns (a bit hard to get to, I guess).

M636C
  GS4 Train Controller



PN 8800's not exactly at Nebo . . . .

If anyone is popping out to this location be aware that only Telstra mobile service works in this area. Many thanks to the Aurizon guys helping me out with this problem. (Vodafone definitely not working in any one of the many Nebos or Coppabella).
  M636C Minister for Railways



PN 8800's not exactly at Nebo . . . .

If anyone is popping out to this location be aware that only Telstra mobile service works in this area. Many thanks to the Aurizon guys helping me out with this problem. (Vodafone definitely not working in any one of the many Nebos or Coppabella).
GS4

It helps that the locomotives are clearly visible from the road from Sarina.

That doesn't help if you drive up from Mackay, of course.

I use Vodafone but just for calling people. I used a map to get there....
Even having been there several times before, I took one wrong turn because the road sign was missing.

Even if you aren't looking for new locootives, there are a lot of good photos of coal trains to be taken in that area.

It was much easier to take photos at Coppabella in 2002, however.

M636C
  NOELWB Locomotive Driver

It's been a long time since there were any posts re these locos. Does anybody have any info re their commissioning/introduction to service or are they still seemingly in storage. Many thanks for any up to date info.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It's been a long time since there were any posts re these locos. Does anybody have any info re their commissioning/introduction to service or are they still seemingly in storage. Many thanks for any up to date info.
NOELWB

Scroll down to 22 July for the 'official' version http://asciano.com.au/investors/media_releases
  NOELWB Locomotive Driver

Thanks for your response bingley hall, but unfortunately the link no longer works and there is no post on this forum dated the 22nd July. Any further info would be appreciated.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Thanks for your response bingley hall, but unfortunately the link no longer works and there is no post on this forum dated the 22nd July. Any further info would be appreciated.
NOELWB

The link works fine if you pull off the extra http on the front

http://www.asciano.com.au/investors/media_releases

edit: doh.
  EMBaldwin Chief Commissioner

Location: Amongst the Cane Fields
There were in the 4th Road at Moranbah 2(?) weeks ago.  Not sure if it was all or only some of them.  Was busy driving a train at the time.
  NOELWB Locomotive Driver

So "unofficially" they still seem to be stored pending commissioning?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

They were reportedly purchased to service the Bandanna Energy Springsure Creek mine Contract on the Rolleston branch (Blackwater Network) and QCoal's Sonoma and Drake Mines near Collinsville on the Newlands line. The Springsure Creek and Drake mines are still in the development and construction phase. The loss of the magnetite traffic from Cloncurry to Townsville freed up around three 83s last year while the 88s were under construction and the current downturn in thermal coal exports is probably keeping the diesel fleet a little less active than usual. That's about to change with more 83s likely to return to the Mt Isa line soon and PN now getting ready to haul nickel ore to the QN refinery north of Townsville.
  GS4 Train Controller

I did add a few more photos of the 88's at Nebo, which is not really Nebo , just adjacent to Nebo , , , sort of.   Very Happy



I haven't been back up there due to a 2000km round trip.  From what crews were able to tell me nobody is going to rush anything into service just to have it fail.  This may be a big opportunity for a Chinese assembled MTU to gain sales in Australia.
I will try to make another journey when the UGL's arrive in Qld.  , , , , has anyone sighted the PH37's lately ? , , ,

Oh , btw , you can access Flickr via the old format by typing the URL as below and using the page numbers at the bottom to navigate around.  The old format opens quicker and uses less Mb's especially when images appear that you don't want to look at.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/72538521@N02/page4/?details=1
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

All five reportedly back at Nebo yesterday looking un-busy.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Chris Walters has a fairly recent photo in Trainspo showing 8805 still at the shed which he called Waitara.

My photos are in the September Railway Digest.

M636C
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Chris Walters has a fairly recent photo in Trainspo showing 8805 still at the shed which he called Waitara.

My photos are in the September Railway Digest.

M636C
"M636C"


The confusion seems to lie in the fact that while the yard and depot are situated at the location known by QR and Aurizon as Waitara, PN decided to name their yard and depot Nebo (a locality no doubt easier to find on google maps). This situation is not without precedence in North Queenland, PN's Townsville Yard south of Townsville is located at the site of QR's Biriguba station, while the neighbouring QR owned Partington yard is located in what was part of the suburb of Stuart - an area that has since been renamed Partington to match the yard and its station.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The confusion seems to lie in the fact that while the yard and depot are situated at the location known by QR and Aurizon as Waitara, PN decided to name their yard and depot Nebo (a locality no doubt easier to find on google maps). This situation is not without precedence in North Queenland, PN's Townsville Yard south of Townsville is located at the site of QR's Biriguba station, while the neighbouring QR owned Partington yard is located in what was part of the suburb of Stuart - an area that has since been renamed Partington to match the yard and its station.
Sulla1


But the 88 class locomotives are not at the large PN Nebo train service yard but at a quarry some distance East of there on the opposite side of a road (to the town of Nebo) to the PN yard. It is next to a PN crew change point (and a siding) and PN call the crew depot Nebo. But there is a sign on the road in to the commissioning shed saying that the quarry, and the wagon loader (which is between the crew point and the commissioning shed) are at Waitara.

The entrance to the Toll yard in which the PN Townsville depot is located (opposite the smelter) has a sign which gives the address as Stuart and there is a new sign in the old QR style at the junction that calls it MacDonald Junction. We seem to have an excess of place names in Queensland generally...

M636C
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

But the 88 class locomotives are not at the large PN Nebo train service yard but at a quarry some distance East of there on the opposite side of a road (to the town of Nebo) to the PN yard. It is next to a PN crew change point (and a siding) and PN call the crew depot Nebo. But there is a sign on the road in to the commissioning shed saying that the quarry, and the wagon loader (which is between the crew point and the commissioning shed) are at Waitara.

The entrance to the Toll yard in which the PN Townsville depot is located (opposite the smelter) has a sign which gives the address as Stuart and there is a new sign in the old QR style at the junction that calls it MacDonald Junction. We seem to have an excess of place names in Queensland generally...

M636C
M636C


The latest photos I've seen of the 88s has them sitting among the 83s in the Nebo yard next to the Locomotive Provisioning shed. The other thing about the MacDonald junction is that it's part of the Julago junction complex where three branches leave the North Coast Line in a space of a few hundred metres...PN like naming their own infrastructure apparently...whatever works I suppose Smile
  Expost Deputy Commissioner

They'll probably go off like a chinese firecracker.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The latest photos I've seen of the 88s has them sitting among the 83s in the Nebo yard next to the Locomotive Provisioning shed. The other thing about the MacDonald junction is that it's part of the Julago junction complex where three branches leave the North Coast Line in a space of a few hundred metres...PN like naming their own infrastructure apparently...whatever works I suppose Smile
Sulla1

The latest photo I saw was mid August but it did only show 8805.

Even then the others could have made it across the road.....
But sitting in the train service yard isn't the same as working trains, which I have yet to see in photographs.

If PN at least use traditional nameboards it is easy to tell what the place is called....

On that subject, a much older nameboard just like the PN example but in Rockhampton reads "Port Curtis Junction". Port Curtis is of course another name for Gladstone and the North Coast line really did leave the Central line there once. But it appears that "Port Curtis" is a local name for that part of Rockhampton now....

M636C
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Yep, Port Curtis Junction has been a prominent place name in Rockhampton for many years - possibly helped by the region's pre-deregulation milk supplier being called Port Curtis Dairies or being a high profile level crossing on the old Bruce Highway. Compare that to Fork Line in Townsville (junction for the North Coast Line and the Jetty branch) and the name is largely unknown among the public and never appears in street maps. Even in rail circles it's usually referred to as the "Jetty angle" or "across the angle to Townsville station", so the name "Fork Line" looks likely to disappear despite being one of the busiest rail junctions in regional Australia.
  GS4 Train Controller

OMG , they really need to settle on a name which can be easily located.  I remember having to travel quite a way off the Bruce Highway to find a "Pring" sign (close to Bowen).
They'll be changing Queensland back to New South Wales if we aren't careful , , , ,  Hmmmm , could make the State of Origin difficult to follow next year !

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