Dangerous Railway Photograpy

 
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Sometimes photographers are in the right place, sometimes not. Do you think the photographer in this photo is in danger?


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M
"Grantham"
He's perfectly safe. The 82 Class would shake itself to pieces before it got near him..

While a lot of photos considered dangerous are taken by gunzels, we have a lot of Drivers and other operational staff on these boards, who can, and do, take "dangerous" photos that are in fact perfectly safe, and I wonder if this is prompting others, who don't have the opportunity to do it safely, into trying to mimic our photos.

Take this one of mine:


This was taken on a work train, with the thing stationary, but it could easily give the impression I've put myself in harms way to get the photo. I haven't clearly described the circumstances of the photo, either, so that tends to reinforce the perception that the train is moving.

Do we as crew need to do more to ensure it is known that we have taken photos during our employment and it was perfectly safe to do so?

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  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Do we as crew need to do more to ensure it is known that we have taken photos during our employment and it was perfectly safe to do so?
KRviator

I don't think so - at what point does it become the responsibility of the individual to keep themselves safe? This is part of the reason we have fences everywhere, to stop people crossing the tracks, getting injured and blaming the railways.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
I don't think so - at what point does it become the responsibility of the individual to keep themselves safe? This is part of the reason we have fences everywhere, to stop people crossing the tracks, getting injured and blaming the railways.
Raichase

It should always be the responsibility of the individual.  In an ideal world, there would be far fewer fences around railways and if you got injured while crossing, it is your problem - to the point where the railways should come after you for compensation for hindering their operations.  It really bugs me how there is no personal responsibility today - to the point of you not being allowed to take responsibility for your own actions even if you want to.
  antiussentiment Locomotive Driver

Location: perth
Other than track crew with hearing protection being caught unawares, I think it's safe to say the only time it's dangerous to stand on a railway line is if there's a train lurking.  They can be tricky things trains.. Leaping up and catching you before you've finished your breakfast or the magazine you're reading.

But if a train catches you.  It's your fault.  Maybe even karma for teasing next the neighbors doberman all those years ago?

It's always annoyed me that I'm allowed to cross a roadway populated by hoards of deadly B doubles loaded with 3rd tier grain.. But if I step onto a railway track that see's 4 trains a day, I'm busted for my own safety..
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
You've clearly got no idea how silent trains can be if they want to be. Given you likely have no formal qualifications for accessing track, you likely don't have the requisite knowledge available to make an informed risk assessment. Just deciding you should be able to access track because you believe you won't get hit by a train is like saying you're qualified to drive a car because you know not to hit other cars.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Other than track crew with hearing protection being caught unawares, I think it's safe to say the only time it's dangerous to stand on a railway line is if there's a train lurking. They can be tricky things trains.. Leaping up and catching you before you've finished your breakfast or the magazine you're reading.

But if a train catches you. It's your fault. Maybe even karma for teasing next the neighbors doberman all those years ago?

It's always annoyed me that I'm allowed to cross a roadway populated by hoards of deadly B doubles loaded with 3rd tier grain.. But if I step onto a railway track that see's 4 trains a day, I'm busted for my own safety..
antiussentiment

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1931493.htm#1931493
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I don't think so - at what point does it become the responsibility of the individual to keep themselves safe? This is part of the reason we have fences everywhere, to stop people crossing the tracks, getting injured and blaming the railways.
Raichase

No, we have fences so that when they are damaged, deemed by some ambulance chasing legal eagle to be too high, too low, too short, without a sign saying do not climb over me or made of the wrong stuff that the railway will be found negligent in some form or other. It is not possible to protect everyone from themselves. We could save squillions of $$$s on infrastructure and lawyers if we followed the Europeans rather than the British and the Americans.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

There was a mother taking photos of her young daughter doing gymnastics on the freight lines next to Morrisson Road in Swan View last week, who was there for a good half hour about fourty metres down the line from the level crossing. No escape route, girl with no shoes, mum with her back to any rail movements on that line, and yet two cop cars went past and looked, but didn't say a word.

At least a move on notice from the cops might have made the mum in this situation think a bit more about putting her kid in danger just to get some pictures for a portfolio....
  antiussentiment Locomotive Driver

Location: perth
I believe, if someone's in a known dangerous environment, their safety is their responsibility. Obviously this is not the case when the danger of an environment is not publicly understood.. In the later, the person responsible for the environment should fairly be expected to take steps to secure the public safety. Not in the former.

I've been standing next to the right of way, observing and taking pictures for over 35 years and the only safety incident I've experienced is wanting to beat the crap out of some uniformed twat telling me 25m was too close for my own safety. I was about 2 seconds away of happily inflicting an assault charge on my self, so I could stand in the doc and cry freedom for the fair people of my rules bound country.

If you don't understand electricity, trains, deep water, trucks and buses are a real threat to your heath? That's just tough.. The cost of all these unnecessary rules, fences and security staff is a burden to the public dollar I would rather see spent elsewhere..

I watched the videos on the link provided.. My response? Don't expect the public to pay for the behavior of fools.

Many many more people are road casualties.. Are we going to pay to fence off all the roads as well?

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