Watco (CBH) Movements

 
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Saw the two P class coming through Northam with a loaded grain train at about 9am from the Goomalling line, not sure how many wgons were in the rake though. Seemed to be around 35 to 40 wagons total from the length of the train.

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  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

I followed CBH005 and another unit with a northbound empty this morning from Goomalling north to Kondut (I think it was heading to Ballidu). Saw a couple guys taking some nice video along the way too.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

CBH 004 and CBH 006 came through Dalwallinu this morning at around 12.30pm, and headed south again around 3.50pm. I thought that three hours to load 52 wagons from the McLevie bin was the fastest I have seen before, but most of my interactions with loading trains was loading older Westrail grain wagons at Dumbleyung in the late 90's. Using locos to move the wagons seems a whole lot faster than using a crowbar and the handbrake to move the loaded wagons one at a time!
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Monday was a busy time on the Miling line, with one short consist (one loco and a half rake of wagons) running round in the Piawaning bin area, one northbound short consist coming over the hill into Piawaning, and a third short consist working the Calingiri bin. I wasn't sure if there was more south of Calinigiri, as i headed over to Great Northern Highway rather than heading south to Toodyay.
  nuggles58 Station Master

Location: Western Australia
Saw CBH loco's with their wagons at a crossing in Stratton Yesterday. Most of the wagons were CBH's, but there were intermingled with the older WWA rebuilds.
Couldn't tell what numbers as the grafitti covered them, but it was interesting to see a mixture on their trains.

John.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

I saw a 40 wagon grain train just south of the Pingaring bin getting ready to leave for Lake Grace on Wednesday, and there was also about 14 wagons sitting in the Dumbleyung grain siding (has this changed to a loop from the old siding setup with the two sets of points either side of the loadout bin?) which looked loaded. Do they load out of Dunbleyung still without the locos being there? We used to do it there in the late 90's with crowbars and the hand brakes, but I was under the impression that all loadouts were done under locomotive power these days. Can anyone else clarify this for me please?
  darsamalx Locomotive Fireman

Dumbleyung is still provided with a loop facility. In regards to the loading of trains as far as I'm aware the wagons if left by Watco are loaded (as required) by CBH by using one of their road-railer vehicles. In 2012 they were sharing the Wagin vehicle although they may have one permanently at Dumbleyung by now. Hope this helps.
  nuggles58 Station Master

Location: Western Australia
Saw CBH loco's with their wagons at a crossing in Stratton Yesterday. Most of the wagons were CBH's, but there were intermingled with the older WWA rebuilds.
Couldn't tell what numbers as the grafitti covered them, but it was interesting to see a mixture on their trains.

John.
nuggles58

On the other side, I saw another train today in Stratton with a P class at the front with quite a few grain wagons, but 4 sets of CBH ones in the middle.  My that looks weird when you are used to the CBH loco's and the CBH wagons only in the one consist.

John.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Dumbleyung is still provided with a loop facility. In regards to the loading of trains as far as I'm aware the wagons if left by Watco are loaded (as required) by CBH by using one of their road-railer vehicles. In 2012 they were sharing the Wagin vehicle although they may have one permanently at Dumbleyung by now. Hope this helps.
darsamalx

Thanks for that darsamalx, when I was there in 97/98/99, the siding held about 17 wagons uphill of the loadout, but the points were in the middle of the siding, just to either side of the loadout. Has it now changed to a proper loop, with the points at either end of the siding?

Cheers,
Matt.
  darsamalx Locomotive Fireman

Matt, after re-reading your post it's got me thinking. I think you may very well be correct in your description of the siding at Dumbleyung, although at the townsite end the points are nearer the level crossing than the load out. I'll speak to a friend who works for Watco and get some clarification. Apologies for any incorrect information given. Kind regards.
  darsamalx Locomotive Fireman

Hi Matt, friend advises it is a loop at Dumbleyung and is big enough in length for a 40 wagon consist.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Thanks darsamalx, much appreciated. It seemed like a loop when I flew through there last week, but I though my eyes were messing with me! I remember the dead end sidings there, as we almost put a loaded rake of wagons through the accommodation during one busy day - it would have punted through my room first unfortunately!
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Did a bit of a loop through the southwest yesterday, saw one loaded train heading west out of Dumbleyung, one loco and about 20 wagons sitting in the station track at Albany (woodchip train in the unloading siding), another full train loading out of Cranbrook, and the train that left Dumbleyung that morning passed me just north of Woodanilling (I think it must have shunted at Wagin for a bit, as most of the wagons at Wagin were gone when I got there).
  8888 Chief Commissioner

Location: Shire of Mundaring
Update on CBH and Brookfield Rail.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25103623/cbh-has-win-in-brookfield-rail-row/
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

This will hopefully lead to some sort of long term solution to the Tier 3 issue, as the minister is still leaning towards the lease for the Tier 3 lines being offered to another group if Brookfield does not want to make them available for service.

In my office, we have had so many projects coming through which assume that the Tier 3 lines will be out of action permanently, and that they can be cut at will anywhere they 'interfere' with the associated road 'upgrade' alongside. The main two at the moment are cutting the Trayning line just north of Merredin at the Goldfields Road intersection to allow for extra stacking room for double road trains at the east side of the intersection, and the cutting of the Quairading line at the Dangin-Mears Road to allow for the same stacking distance on the D-M Road and to raise the D-M Road by around 1m through the level crossing. Brookfield added to this problem by saying the lines were now closed and gutting the level crossing cabinets along the Quairading line during April this year.

Hopefully we will see more action on this in the next 12 months, and there may be a handover to CBH to run the Tier 3 network as a grain shortline set-up, which almost everyone except Brookfield wants.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

CBH007 and CBH011 have been parked up in the loop in Narrogin with an empty rake of CBHN wagons facing south since yesterday, and P2511 was parked in the grain loop in Kokeby with a small rake of CBHN wagons facing south.
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
CBH007 and CBH011 have been parked up in the loop in Narrogin with an empty rake of CBHN wagons facing south since yesterday, and P2511 was parked in the grain loop in Kokeby with a small rake of CBHN wagons facing south.
Bulbous

P2517 dropped off by Watco crew at F/field depot on Monday. Possibly off hire, as there was no order to go into workshops.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Albany sightings 12/11/2014

CBH016 shut down with a short rake of grain hoppers near Albany station at 15.30
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana
Two new CBH loco's unloaded at North Quay this morning
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  Bethungra Train Controller

Two new CBH loco's unloaded at North Quay this morning
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ALCO4401



Is that a pellet the locomotive is sitting on?
  ALCO4401 Train Controller

Location: On the Branch waiting for a train order, west of Tarana


Is that a pellet the locomotive is sitting on?
Bethungra

Its sitting on a flat rack container
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
Are these narrow or standard gauge?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Are these narrow or standard gauge?
Kafoopsy

According to Trains Magazine there are three MP27CN in this batch.

These are narrow gauge with the smaller 60 litre engine, the same as units 001 to 011

They should be numbered 023 to 025.

M636C
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

According to Trains Magazine there are three MP27CN in this batch.

These are narrow gauge with the smaller 60 litre engine, the same as units 001 to 011

They should be numbered 023 to 025.

M636C
M636C

Since the NG units stop at 017, would these not be 018 to 020? The SG units are now 118 - 122.

Cheers,
Matt
  M636C Minister for Railways

Since the NG units stop at 017, would these not be 018 to 020? The SG units are now 118 - 122.

Cheers,
Matt
Bulbous

So far the last two digits of every CBH locomotive match the last two digits of its builder's number.

Any standard gauge unit could be fitted with narrow gauge bogies if required and would presumably be numbered in the 018 to 022 range.

Equally any of the NG locomotives with 78 litre engines could be transferred to standard gauge, so taking a number in the range 112 to 117.

Apart from the bogies (and traction motors) 012 to 017 and 118 to 122 are identical and only software changes are required in the electrical system to cope with the larger motors.

The coupler height would be different but I believe this can be adjusted.

In theory, any of the 60 litre locomotives could also be transferred to SG if required, and if an engine failure occured, a 78 litre engine could be fitted if no 60 litre replacement were available, since all locomotives have the larger radiators required by the bigger engine.

However to meet the weight requirements for the lighter grain lines, the locomotives need to have the smaller engine. It is this type, MP27CN, that Trains Magazine indicate the three additional locomotives to be.

M636C

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